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Popular Vote/Electoral College argument
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:22 am
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:22 am
In the 1960 World Series, the Yankees outscored the Pirates 55-27 (total runs).
The Pirates won the World Series. The Yankees did not protest. The trophy is still in Pittsburgh.
This has to be the most direct and relevant analogy to the Pro-Popular Vote/Anti-Electoral College nonsense I've ever heard. Be sure to mention this to your liberal friends and watch the mild state of panic. It's most enjoyable...
The Pirates won the World Series. The Yankees did not protest. The trophy is still in Pittsburgh.
This has to be the most direct and relevant analogy to the Pro-Popular Vote/Anti-Electoral College nonsense I've ever heard. Be sure to mention this to your liberal friends and watch the mild state of panic. It's most enjoyable...
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Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:28 am to tigerpawl
That's been a solid analogy.
Basically, do you want only the populations in the large metro centers on the coasts making one size fits all rules for a large and diverse country?
It flies in the face of federalism.
Basically, do you want only the populations in the large metro centers on the coasts making one size fits all rules for a large and diverse country?
It flies in the face of federalism.
This post was edited on 2/8/20 at 9:29 am
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:31 am to tigerpawl
Yes, it is a decent analogy, even if it has been floating around for decades
The problem is that is does not reflect the actual argument.
Setting aside a few mental-defectives, few are arguing that the winner of the EC does not win the election.
Some folks (not including me) just think that a different system might be preferable in a country that has pretty-much abandoned every other notion of true federalism and state autonomy.
Personally, I think the states should try to recover much of the federalism that they have surrendered over the last 150 years.
The problem is that is does not reflect the actual argument.
Setting aside a few mental-defectives, few are arguing that the winner of the EC does not win the election.
Some folks (not including me) just think that a different system might be preferable in a country that has pretty-much abandoned every other notion of true federalism and state autonomy.
Personally, I think the states should try to recover much of the federalism that they have surrendered over the last 150 years.
This post was edited on 2/8/20 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:32 am to TrueTiger
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Basically, do you want only the populations in the large metro centers on the coasts making one size fits all rules for a large and diverse country?
Their answer is an enthusiastic yes! They don’t care about flyover people, or what they want. Never have.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:34 am to tigerpawl
The United States form of government is a Federated Republic.
And probably <10% of the population would be able to tell you that.
And probably <10% of the population would be able to tell you that.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:35 am to tigerpawl
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:37 am to troyt37
My State of Georgia and many States like Georgia would have never agreed to join a Union of States if popular vote was what decided elections.
If you get rid of the electoral college then States need to be allowed to leave the Union.
If you get rid of the electoral college then States need to be allowed to leave the Union.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:40 am to tigerpawl
Better argument would be that you can never assume popular vote would create a different result, because changing the system would alter the behavior of both the candidates and the voters.
A lot of California Republicans stayed home because it didn't matter. Hillary turtled in October because she was counting on the blue firewall in the Rust Belt (it was considered more likely that HRC would lose the popular vote and win the election).
A lot of California Republicans stayed home because it didn't matter. Hillary turtled in October because she was counting on the blue firewall in the Rust Belt (it was considered more likely that HRC would lose the popular vote and win the election).
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:41 am to AggieHank86
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Some folks (not including me) just think that a different system might be preferable in a country that has pretty-much abandoned every other notion of true federalism and state autonomy.
It's so courteous of you to always show up to remind us of the merits of the liberals' arguments.
Maybe those people (not including you, of course) should use their energy to protect and restore federalism rather than pissing out it's embers because they lost an election.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:44 am to AggieHank86
Democracy (popular vote) = mob rule.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:44 am to Bestbank Tiger
quote:The election rules don't take into account voter complacency. It assumes that everybody is a grown-up. It also assumes that everyone understands how precious their votes are.
A lot of California Republicans stayed home because it didn't matter. Hillary turtled in October because she was counting on the blue firewall in the Rust Belt (it was considered more likely that HRC would lose the popular vote and win the election).
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:45 am to tigerpawl
This analogy is awful.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:46 am to tigerpawl
If the USA ever gets rid of the Electoral College it will be the end of this country.
I would propose a change.
Allocation of electoral votes as follows:
Winner of statewide popular vote gets the 2 electoral votes tied to the Senate.
Remaining EVs will be awarded by congressional district.
So in 2016, Hillary would have gotten 1 EV from Louisiana (4th District) and Trump would have gotten EVs in CA and NY.
It would make it a true national election. It would also likely increase turnout in solid "blue" or solid "red" states because there would actually be a chance to help gets some EVs for "their" candidate - which would actually help down ballot turnout.
I would propose a change.
Allocation of electoral votes as follows:
Winner of statewide popular vote gets the 2 electoral votes tied to the Senate.
Remaining EVs will be awarded by congressional district.
So in 2016, Hillary would have gotten 1 EV from Louisiana (4th District) and Trump would have gotten EVs in CA and NY.
It would make it a true national election. It would also likely increase turnout in solid "blue" or solid "red" states because there would actually be a chance to help gets some EVs for "their" candidate - which would actually help down ballot turnout.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:49 am to Tactical1
It a great analogy. Another great analogy is; two wolves and a sheep voting over what's for dinner.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:49 am to udtiger
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If the USA ever gets rid of the Electoral College it will be the end of this country.
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It a great analogy. Another great analogy is; two wolves and a sheep voting over what's for dinner.
This post was edited on 2/8/20 at 9:52 am
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:52 am to bird35
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If you get rid of the electoral college then States need to be allowed to leave the Union.
That was decided in 1865. Now they want to do away with inconvenient parts of the Constitution, and anything that stands in the way of their power and domination, like the EC. People want to scoff at the folks seeing war down the road, but it’s either going to be war, or capitulation.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:53 am to udtiger
But no European country uses the EC so it must be outdated and backwards.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:54 am to udtiger
Democrat leaders would be ok with the Hunger Games style government and President Snow.
This post was edited on 2/8/20 at 10:00 am
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:56 am to tigerpawl
What never gets brought up about the EC is it limits the scope of cheating a single state can do, lets say dem candidate is lagging behind in the polls and needs an extra 3 million votes, you dont think California cant cover that itself? The way the EC is set up a certain state can only have so much influence.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:57 am to tigerpawl
As Thomas Jefferson said, all men are created equal. If we are to live by that creed, then all states should be created equal since we are a nation of states. Each state should have equal say into how this country is run regardless of the populace of the state.
If we want our government run based on the popular vote of the people then we should change our country's name to he United People of America.
If we want our government run based on the popular vote of the people then we should change our country's name to he United People of America.
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