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re: Please tell me why we should NOT see Trump’s tax returns.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:06 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:06 am to AggieHank86
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AND that there DO exist potentially-valid bases for examining them.
And don't conflate "stuff a voter would find interesting to know that might affect their vote" with "valid reason for examining them"
There are probably things in a lot of candidates medical records that would affect voter perception. That does not make wanting to force release of a candidate entire medical history "valid"
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Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:07 am to ShortyRob
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Hell. Chuck Schumer practically gloated about it
Actually it was Harry Reid.
and here is the story, with the added bonus of Megyn Kelly before she went nuts and was still highly attractive:
Romney didn't win, did he?
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:07 am to thetigerman
Step 1: find a copy of the US Constitution
Step 2: read the qualifications for office for President
Step 3: realize that producing tax returns is NOT one of the qualifications for office
Step 4: frick yourself
Step 2: read the qualifications for office for President
Step 3: realize that producing tax returns is NOT one of the qualifications for office
Step 4: frick yourself
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:08 am to gthog61
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Actually it was Harry Reid
I apologize. I knew this but I guess I've seen Schumer's face so often recently that I conflated them
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:08 am to ShortyRob
I have always been a litigator, so perhaps I see analogies to the courthouse where others do not, but I certainly see one here.
I send you an Interrogatory asking your gross income, expenses and net income in the preceding ten years. You answer under oath, subjecting yourself to contempt if your answer is a lie. Look at that as an FEC filing.
I ALSO get to send a Request for Production of your actual returns, so that I can verify the truth of your Interrogatory responses.
No analogy is perfect, including this one, but I do think it is useful.
I send you an Interrogatory asking your gross income, expenses and net income in the preceding ten years. You answer under oath, subjecting yourself to contempt if your answer is a lie. Look at that as an FEC filing.
I ALSO get to send a Request for Production of your actual returns, so that I can verify the truth of your Interrogatory responses.
No analogy is perfect, including this one, but I do think it is useful.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:08 am to Homesick Tiger
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They don't know jackshit what is there. Is this going to be Russian collusion II? Sure sounds like it.
And if folks would just think one level further and ponder the liklihood that the IRS missed some "bombshell" that Congress will discover....mere common sense dictates that is a very, very unlikely. So take away that purported legitimate justification, and what does that leave - only illegitimate intentions.
Now, what could Congress instead be doing with that time and those resources....that's a good discussion to have.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:10 am to ShortyRob
quote:Shorty, where have I suggested that release of the tax returns IS mandatory or that it SHOULD be? I have said the opposite.
There are probably things in a lot of candidates medical records that would affect voter perception. That does not make wanting to force release of a candidate entire medical history "valid"
But Trump HAS DECLINED to release information that every POTUS candidate for half a century HAS released. It is naive to think that this decision would not raise questions.
This post was edited on 4/14/19 at 10:15 am
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:10 am to AggieHank86
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I send you an Interrogatory asking your gross income, expenses and net income in the preceding ten years. You answer under oath, subjecting yourself to contempt if your answer is a lie. Look at that as an FEC filing
Running for office isn't being the object of a legal case. And God help us but it never should be.
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I ALSO get to send a Request for Production of your actual returns, so that I can verify the truth of your Interrogatory responses
There are people in our government who already have this access. Janie rottencrotch across the street from you doesn't need it.
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No analogy is perfect, including this one, but I do think it is useful
It isn't and it bears no relevance to running for office.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:12 am to AggieHank86
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Shorty, where have I suggested that release of the tax returns IS mandatory or that it SHOULD be? I have said the opposite
Read what you just quoted from me again because I didn't say that. I said that just because you want to thing doesn't make your reason valid.
Just because finding out personal information what affect somebody's vote doesn't make wanting to find out valid.
For frick sake we don't live in stalinist Russia at least not yet
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:13 am to ShortyRob
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I apologize. I knew this but I guess I've seen Schumer's face so often recently that I conflated them
hard to tell one piece of shite from another
I used to this Daschle was as horrid as they could get
Then came Reid
Then came Schumer
My but the democrats really want to "reach across that aisle" - you can tell by who leads them.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:16 am to LSURulzSEC
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You and all of America should be wanting to see the tax returns of all these congress people who had a few hundred thousand dollars in their bank account that became multi millionaires on a salary of a $175,000 per year or whatever the salary is for them...
O'Cortez will be the best example of this happening in a few yrs. Especially since she was open about how poor she was, and lots of shady behavior coming out
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:18 am to AggieHank86
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I ALSO get to send a Request for Production of your actual returns, so that I can verify the truth of your Interrogatory responses.
In my opinion the course of action as opposing party in your hypothet would be determined by the level of relevance of your discovery requests. If that info is not relevant to the specific issue at hand....decline to provide docs and force you to file Motion to Compel and require you to provide justification for all. Perhaps the court rules not relevant, perhaps the court orders a more narrow response.
Here's the hypo that I believe better fits....plaintiff atty files a pleading simply titled "Petition for Damages" very vaguely alleging a breach of some unidentified duty. I dont think you end up with tax docs via discovery there. No specific cause shown.
Maybe Ive missed it, but have Democrats cited even one specific basis upon which Trump's tax returns are so relevant that they MUST be tendered?
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:22 am to ShortyRob
quote:You used the word “forced,” which I tend to read as being somewhat coercive.quote:Read what you just quoted from me again because I didn't say that.
Shorty, where have I suggested that release of the tax returns IS mandatory or that it SHOULD be?
quote:And I see it as perfectly-valid. That is not remotely the same as saying that the coercive power of government should force the disclosure.
Just because finding out personal information what affect somebody's vote doesn't make wanting to find out valid.
It may well be perfectly-valid for a father to want to see the sealed juvenile records of the 20yo man dating his daughter. That does not mean he gets to see them.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:24 am to thetigerman
for the same reason we don't see every tax return for every elected official...for the same reason there is the IRS and the audit Trump is currently in the middle of...for the same reason the Mueller report didn't find anything...for the same reason all of congress didn't find anything...for the same reason we don't get to see your tax records...You really just need to unplug for a minute and realize that your are being lied to be the propoganda media. 2.5 years later of the entire world being against Trump and nothing has been found and you still think he did something. IN light of the amount felonies that were committed by members of Congress, DOJ, FBI, and CIA and contractors to spy on Trump and you still think "HE'S GUILTY!!!!!!"
You need help.
You need help.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:24 am to davyjones
quote:This thread keeps teetering back-and-forth between whether Trump should be REQUIRED to release his returns (no) and whether there are perfectly-valid reasons that a voter might want to see them (yes).
Maybe Ive missed it, but have Democrats cited even one specific basis upon which Trump's tax returns are so relevant that they MUST be tendered?
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:27 am to davyjones
quote:Yes, the hypothetical DID assume that the case was one in which financial disclosure of some sort would be relevant, because I was addressing the debate point to the effect that the FEC filings render moot the returns,
In my opinion the course of action as opposing party in your hypothet would be determined by the level of relevance of your discovery requests. If that info is not relevant to the specific issue at hand....decline to provide docs and force you to file Motion to Compel and require you to provide justification for all. Perhaps the court rules not relevant, perhaps the court orders a more narrow response.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:32 am to TigerB8
quote:I do wonder where you get this stuff. Run a search on my name and “collusion.”. You will find that I have opined from the beginning that the Trump campaign did not actively collude with Russian operatives. The Mueller Report seems to say essentially what I anticipated it would say.
nothing has been found and you still think he did something. IN light of the amount felonies that were committed by members of Congress, DOJ, FBI, and CIA and contractors to spy on Trump and you still think "HE'S GUILTY!!!!!!"
In this very thread, I have said that Trump has every right to withhold his tax returns.
With all due respect, it is you who needs help.
This post was edited on 4/14/19 at 10:35 am
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:33 am to AggieHank86
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because I was addressing the debate point to the effect that the FEC filings render moot the returns,
Because they do render than moot.
People who need to see them both have.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:37 am to thetigerman
And the award for fastest to flee from his own failed troll thread goes to. . . .
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thetigerman
This post was edited on 4/14/19 at 10:37 am
Posted on 4/14/19 at 10:46 am to thetigerman
Will you post your returns for us?
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