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Plan B & Frozen Embryos
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:31 am
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:31 am
How does the anti-choice crowd feel about Plan B & frozen embryos created in the IVF process that are stored indefinitely if like truelybegins at conception?
This post was edited on 6/29/18 at 8:36 am
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:33 am to IrishTiger89
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Plan B
Is abortion in pill form
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frozen embryos
Not abortion
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:34 am to IrishTiger89
This is a dumb topic to debate. The left has already politically won this issue. Its over
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:37 am to bamafan1001
Why is this a dumb topic? Is Plan B murder or not if it involves a fertilized egg?
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:39 am to Wtodd
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Is abortion in pill form
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:40 am to Wtodd
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Is abortion in pill form
Not every sexual encounter results in a pregnancy you are aware of that right? Plan B is a preventative measure. It isn't Abortion because there is no way to know in one to three days if someone is pregnant
Plan B shows the true idiocy of the Pro Life group. They don't even understand what it is or how pregnancy works. There are people who it takes years and months to successfully get pregnant.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:41 am to IrishTiger89
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How does the anti-choice crowd feel about Plan B & frozen embryos created in the IVF process if like truelt begins at conception?
I don't have any big thoughts on it, but it is obvious you are uninformed. Conception can happen as long as 5 days after sexual intercourse. it is not an instant thing. As for frozen embryos. I am guessing you mean to be used for later fertilization? If that is the case, then they are not truly harmed, right?
Again, I have not fully studied these subjects.
Now as an anti-life (see how that works?) person, why do you think it is okay to inflict pain on an unborn child?
Why do the police charge double homicide if a pregnant woman is killed?
Do you think third trimester abortions are acceptable?
Here is one bill the Dems are pushing for:
The bill’s summary makes clear that state and local governments would be forbidden by federal law from regulating the abortion industry with laws requiring that abortion facilities comply with codes for ambulatory surgical centers, that abortionists have hospital admitting privileges and that only licensed physicians perform abortions. It would also forbid abortion bans based on fetal pain, late term or the type of abortion procedure used, as well as overturn mandatory waiting periods, informed-consent laws and restrictions on telemedicine abortions. It also “requires courts to liberally construe the provisions of this act” to make its application as broad as possible, Harned said.
LINK
No regulations on abortion at all. Anytime, anyplace by anybody.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:41 am to IrishTiger89
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Why is this a dumb topic?
Because gotcha's from the left have gotten old. You don't stick around once you've been proven wrong. You just cycle back around a month from now to start the same stupid thread.
It doesn't matter anyway. There's nothing on the ballot about voting for plan B. I see no politicians campaigning on banning it.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:42 am to Jake_LaMotta
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Plan B shows the true idiocy of the Pro Life group. They don't even understand what it is or how pregnancy works. There are people who it takes years and months to successfully get pregnant.
Very sweeping statement by you. Not surprising. And then again, there are people who get pregnant within hours of their first sexual encounter.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:44 am to IrishTiger89
The main point is (if I’m reading this correctly) if you think life begins when a sperm fertilizes an egg, why do you think it’s ok to suspend a “baby” in time indefinitely as a frozen embryo?
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:44 am to IrishTiger89
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Why is this a dumb topic? Is Plan B murder or not if it involves a fertilized egg?
So, you are asking if there is a pregnancy and you take Plan B, is it abortion? Ummmmm. Yeah. By law it is not murder, though.
I hope that clears it up for you.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:45 am to DawgsLife
There is no way to know if intercourse results in a successful pregnancy or not within 72 hours. Plan B is not 'Abortion'. People do not get pregnant every single time they have unprotected sex or birth control failure.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:46 am to IrishTiger89
Good god.. at least know what youre talking about before you act like an idiot.
Plan B is not the abortion pill. Its high dose of Progesterone if im not mistaken which is the same thing in most OCPs. It prevents conception (which usually occurs 3 days after unprotected sex) and implantation(which occurs around 6-7 days after conception).
Frozen embryos: Why would anyone have any problem with that due to anti-abortion stance.
Plan B is not the abortion pill. Its high dose of Progesterone if im not mistaken which is the same thing in most OCPs. It prevents conception (which usually occurs 3 days after unprotected sex) and implantation(which occurs around 6-7 days after conception).
Frozen embryos: Why would anyone have any problem with that due to anti-abortion stance.
This post was edited on 6/29/18 at 8:48 am
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:47 am to Jake_LaMotta
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There is no way to know if intercourse results in a successful pregnancy or not within 72 hours. Plan B is not 'Abortion'. People do not get pregnant every single time they have unprotected sex or birth control failure.
Whether you know it or not is immaterial. Ignorance is not a defense. (The law states this) If there is a pregnancy and you terminate it, then it is an abortion, whether you are aware or not.
BTW, are you under the impression the millions of abortions that have happened in the country are mainly due to birth control failure?
This post was edited on 6/29/18 at 8:49 am
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:50 am to SundayFunday
The question with frozen embryos is should they legally be allowed to be destroyed or should hospitals be required to store them Indefinitely?
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:50 am to IrishTiger89
For clarification purposes, Plan B works by 3 mechanisms:
1- prevention of ovulation
2- prevention of sperm from adhering to the egg
3- prevention of egg from adhering to the endometrial lining.
There is no evidence to suggest that it does anything to kill and already fertilized and adhered egg, which is why it is very time-dependent for its effectiveness.
1- prevention of ovulation
2- prevention of sperm from adhering to the egg
3- prevention of egg from adhering to the endometrial lining.
There is no evidence to suggest that it does anything to kill and already fertilized and adhered egg, which is why it is very time-dependent for its effectiveness.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:50 am to DawgsLife
The Plan B pill is NOT the Abortion pill
You don't have a clue what you are talking about.
You don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:51 am to tiger1014
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The main point is (if I’m reading this correctly) if you think life begins when a sperm fertilizes an egg, why do you think it’s ok to suspend a “baby” in time indefinitely as a frozen embryo?
I don't think it is. I think IVF is wrong and disgusting. Everytime I hear of a woman upset over the loss of an IVF baby en utero I wonder why she isn't upset about all the embryos she didn't try to implant which were frozen or destroyed.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:53 am to IrishTiger89
Just because an egg is fertilized, it still has to attach to and burrow into the uterine lining in order to be viable and grow/develop. There are instances in which the fertilization takes place, but the blastocyst does not make a connection to the uterine wall and continue developing to a fetus. This is a natural occurrence. In my mind, the Plan B pill creates this same situation.
With the IVF process, hopeful parents are wanting children, and need the help of science to reach this goal. The frozen embryos (actually frozen blastocysts) are implanted in the uterine lining and the hope is that they attach and develop. I believe that at that point, the prospective parents should see each frozen blastocyst through, and not discard them. However, the idea of creating them is not immoral nor does it go against any religious tenant in my mind.
With the IVF process, hopeful parents are wanting children, and need the help of science to reach this goal. The frozen embryos (actually frozen blastocysts) are implanted in the uterine lining and the hope is that they attach and develop. I believe that at that point, the prospective parents should see each frozen blastocyst through, and not discard them. However, the idea of creating them is not immoral nor does it go against any religious tenant in my mind.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:53 am to IrishTiger89
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The question with frozen embryos is should they legally be allowed to be destroyed or should hospitals be required to store them Indefinitely?
Day one of a contracts course would donyou some good.
Liberals stupid gotchas are almost as bad as them crying wolf.
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