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Paul Whelan
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:34 am
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:34 am
I dont know if there has been a thread started to discuss this person specifically or not. If so and I missed it, well I dont care and GFY. Let's be clear about one thing - Paul Whelan was a piece of shite Marine who was successfully court-martialed for larceny and he received a bad-conduct discharge. Further, he was an admin clerk who also got caught trying to do his own evaluation. This dude is not a war hero, he is not someone who served honorably, and from my perspective, he has forfeited the right to be called a US Marine.
I do firmly believe that he is wrongly imprisoned in Russia. I also believe that the Griner deal was an absolute abortion of a political stunt designed solely for the administration to earn social favor points and snub their noses at conservatives. I believe that as with ANY American wrongly imprisoned in Russia, our government should be fighting to get Whelan home because he doesnt deserve to be where he is.
But to CONSTANTLY hear this guy referenced as the "US Marine" left there over Griner is pretty disgusting to me. I've even seen multiple conservative media outlets call him a "retired Marine" and a "war hero". frick that. This guy is a total piece of shite, and doesnt deserve to be referenced as a Marine, especially for political clout.
I do firmly believe that he is wrongly imprisoned in Russia. I also believe that the Griner deal was an absolute abortion of a political stunt designed solely for the administration to earn social favor points and snub their noses at conservatives. I believe that as with ANY American wrongly imprisoned in Russia, our government should be fighting to get Whelan home because he doesnt deserve to be where he is.
But to CONSTANTLY hear this guy referenced as the "US Marine" left there over Griner is pretty disgusting to me. I've even seen multiple conservative media outlets call him a "retired Marine" and a "war hero". frick that. This guy is a total piece of shite, and doesnt deserve to be referenced as a Marine, especially for political clout.
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Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:37 am to Northshore Aggie
quote:Pretty much this, although I don't have a good sense for how real his "espionage" conviction was. Everyone keeps giving the FAFO re Griner and a vape pen and the law's the law in Russia and all that. Presumably, espionage is ALSO against the law in Russia.
I dont know if there has been a thread started to discuss this person specifically or not. If so and I missed it, well I dont care and GFY. Let's be clear about one thing - Paul Whelan was a piece of shite Marine who was successfully court-martialed for larceny and he received a bad-conduct discharge. Further, he was an admin clerk who also got caught trying to do his own evaluation. This dude is not a war hero, he is not someone who served honorably, and from my perspective, he has forfeited the right to be called a US Marine.
I do firmly believe that he is wrongly imprisoned in Russia. I also believe that the Griner deal was an absolute abortion of a political stunt designed solely for the administration to earn social favor points and snub their noses at conservatives. I believe that as with ANY American wrongly imprisoned in Russia, our government should be fighting to get Whelan home because he doesnt deserve to be where he is.
But to CONSTANTLY hear this guy referenced as the "US Marine" left there over Griner is pretty disgusting to me. I've even seen multiple conservative media outlets call him a "retired Marine" and a "war hero". frick that. This guy is a total piece of shite, and doesnt deserve to be referenced as a Marine, especially for political clout.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:39 am to Big Scrub TX
But both are Americans. And the latest cry is grinder is an AMERICAN!!!!
Get her back!!!!!
No public cry for all the other Americans locked up over there? What about them?
Get her back!!!!!
No public cry for all the other Americans locked up over there? What about them?
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:43 am to Big Scrub TX
Could Whelan really be a spy and his behavior in the Marines just a cover? Who really knows?
Tying Griner to Whelan was a big mistake. Griner should have served six months and released for good will. Dealing for her was stupid.
Tying Griner to Whelan was a big mistake. Griner should have served six months and released for good will. Dealing for her was stupid.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:43 am to canyon
quote:
But both are Americans. And the latest cry is grinder is an AMERICAN!!!!
Get her back!!!!!
No public cry for all the other Americans locked up over there? What about them?
Right. Got it. Whatever. I'm just saying that the rally cry about Whelan being this hero Marine is complete and utter bullshite, and conservatives need to stop using it.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:46 am to doubleb
quote:
Could Whelan really be a spy and his behavior in the Marines just a cover? Who really knows?
There seems to be something rather fishy about it all for sure. I don't think Russia was really known to be just randomly locking up Americans back when they nabbed this guy.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:47 am to Northshore Aggie
quote:
But to CONSTANTLY hear this guy referenced as the "US Marine" left there over Griner is pretty disgusting to me. I've even seen multiple conservative media outlets call him a "retired Marine" and a "war hero". frick that. This guy is a total piece of shite, and doesnt deserve to be referenced as a Marine, especially for political clout.
It’s the hypocrisy that the Marines is a 911 force and when we go in, we go in for EVERYONE. Biden chose the most controversial one.
And yes it has been discussed and I’ve said I don’t care about titles, Marine, WNBA, etc.
You can be mad all you want it just shows this deal was bait and Biden fell for it.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:49 am to Big Scrub TX
There’s also a huge difference of being a dumbass and someone hating our country. I think that’s the biggest problem. Plus it’s not just those two…. So yes. We took a turd over ALL
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:49 am to Northshore Aggie
You and I often disagree, but you are 100% on-point in your OP.
Kudos.
Kudos.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:51 am to Y.A. Tittle
if he is really a spy for the US government, then he's got to be the most inept spy of all time. if anything, i'd say it's possible he was trying to freelance as a spy with delusions of grandeur about getting recruited by the CIA or some shite.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:51 am to Northshore Aggie
Paul Whelan>Brittney Griner
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:52 am to AggieHank86
quote:
You and I often disagree, but you are 100% on-point in your OP.
Kudos.
we are also often in violent agreement.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 12:00 pm to Northshore Aggie
IDGAF if he served one day as a Marine, he served. As a retired Soldier that means more to me.
Griner was another Kaepernick. She checked off 3 woke boxes. It's pretty simple: Freeing it was worth more votes.
Imagine serving right now and thinking to yourself, an athlete is more valuable than my service to this country.
Griner was another Kaepernick. She checked off 3 woke boxes. It's pretty simple: Freeing it was worth more votes.
Imagine serving right now and thinking to yourself, an athlete is more valuable than my service to this country.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 12:03 pm to Lowercase G
Yep. Military, law enforcement, first responders ALL go in not knowing or caring what ppl believe in or what features ppl have. Completely different when 1 person was chosen because of boxes being checked.
Is the Marine a dumbass? Of course but it doesn’t mean you only go to rescue one person to please your base.
Is the Marine a dumbass? Of course but it doesn’t mean you only go to rescue one person to please your base.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 12:10 pm to Northshore Aggie
No matter what you think of either one, a deal for one of the most dangerous men shouldn’t have never been made. But at the end of the day Griner will write a book, get all kinds of awards, and be made out to be an American Hero. Even though she disrespected the flag and what it stood for.
Whelan is more of a Hero than Griner is. He reached the ranked of Staff Sergeant and actually deployed to a combat zone in 2006(Iraq). He was busted down from E-6 to E-4(Corporal). I don’t know if you’re aware but do you know how hard and taxing it is to reach E-6 in the Marines? Also do you know how a court martial works? A court martial is a lot different than a civilian court. In a court martial they don’t need hard evidence. All the need is the preponderance of evidence to be 51% of greater. Not saying what he done was right. But court martial convictions are almost as guaranteed as Russian convictions. Here are the facts.
The Army conviction rate for GCMs was 81%, down from 83% last year. Its overall conviction rate was 85%. 60% of convictions resulted in a punitive discharge. Black soldiers accounted for 29% of GCMs and 36% of SpCMs.
GCM= General Court Martial
SpCm= Special Court Martial
Whelan is more of a Hero than Griner is. He reached the ranked of Staff Sergeant and actually deployed to a combat zone in 2006(Iraq). He was busted down from E-6 to E-4(Corporal). I don’t know if you’re aware but do you know how hard and taxing it is to reach E-6 in the Marines? Also do you know how a court martial works? A court martial is a lot different than a civilian court. In a court martial they don’t need hard evidence. All the need is the preponderance of evidence to be 51% of greater. Not saying what he done was right. But court martial convictions are almost as guaranteed as Russian convictions. Here are the facts.
The Army conviction rate for GCMs was 81%, down from 83% last year. Its overall conviction rate was 85%. 60% of convictions resulted in a punitive discharge. Black soldiers accounted for 29% of GCMs and 36% of SpCMs.
GCM= General Court Martial
SpCm= Special Court Martial
This post was edited on 12/9/22 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 12/9/22 at 12:13 pm to Northshore Aggie
quote:
this guy referenced as the "US Marine" left there over Griner is pretty disgusting to me.
At one time in his life he volunteered to give his life for his country.
Which is more than Griner, who voluntarily shite on her country.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 12:13 pm to Northshore Aggie
Whelan is a wing nut which explains his popularity here.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 12:16 pm to canyon
They are the wrong pronouns, race and gender.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 12:17 pm to VolNavy98
quote:
Whelan is more of a Hero than Griner is. He reached the ranked of Staff Sergeant and actually deployed to a combat zone in 2006(Iraq). He was busted down from E-6 to E-4(Corporal). I don’t know if you’re aware but do you know how hard and taxing it is to reach E-6 in the Marines? Also do you know how a court martial works? A court martial is a lot different than a civilian court. In a court martial they don’t need hard evidence. All the need is the preponderance of evidence to be 51% of greater. Not saying what he done was right. But court martial convictions are almost as guaranteed as Russian convictions. Here are the facts.
yes, i'm somewhat familiar with the Marine Corps, but thank you for further educating me.
i'm not arguing the merits of Griner over Whelan. frankly, I think they should have both been left there over giving up Viktor Bout, because neither of them are worth trading for an arms dealer who is solely responsible for hundreds if not thousands of American deaths.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 12:20 pm to VolNavy98
quote:
I don’t know if you’re aware but do you know how hard and taxing it is to reach E-6 in the Marines?
he was a reservist admin Marine. so, not that taxing.
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