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re: Our president supports negative interest rates

Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:10 pm to
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:10 pm to
I find the negative interest rates discussions very odd.

Functionally speaking, there is no actual difference between if the rate is negative or slightly positive.

The reasons one might accept either rate are based on the same factors.
Posted by 187undercover
Member since May 2019
1538 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:21 pm to
Just to be sure I understand you correctly here, if my savings rate is -1% and I go place $100 dollars in the bank, I still have access to that $100 at the end of the year instead if $99?

And why can't they loan out my savings for a greater return in a low interest rate environment? If a bank chooses to make a loan to so and so Joe to open a crabbie paddie how is not paying interest brother on that money?

It is either negative or it isnt. I'm not getting $101 or even $100 at the end if the year in my account. It will show $99. And it is a way to keep banks afloat and get the economy moving as banks have more dollars to loan out.

Make a ZERO SENSE in a supposed booming economy. None.

But, i am also one of the few who doesn't believe the government and when it comes to the economy I always do not believe the government.

Negative interest is polar to booming economies.

But, if it is a way to crush China exports and their currency it isba dangerous game to play. One we do not know how it will end or who wins regardless. And we do know many American savers will suffer horribly.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

Just to be sure I understand you correctly here, if my savings rate is -1% and I go place $100 dollars in the bank, I still have access to that $100 at the end of the year instead if $99?

No

You have access to $99
Posted by yatesdog38
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
12737 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:30 pm to
The negative rates are typically going to be the overnight rate. Banks lending to each other. Your savings account will likely be earning zero percent still if it goes negative that reduces their capital

What happens is people start withdrawing their money out of banks. This reduces the amount of their overall deposits which what is what banks lend against. It will reduce their overall capital. Banks are required to keep a have a certain amount of capital to match the loans on their balance sheet.

When rates are really low the margins shrink on lending. It becomes less profitable if at all. accounting and management for banks is a different beast than your typical corporate accounting/management.

This is why banks buy more loans and bonds during a tightening interest rate environment. They layoff hundreds of people that process loans, underwrite them, the sales people, marketing for lending etc... it costs lots of money to staff them versus a handful of guys that can go buy loans and bonds on behalf of the corporation to manage their balance sheet
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 12:34 pm
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

It becomes less profitable if at all


Which means they then start charging fees on everything to make up lost revenue. Good bye free checking account.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112390 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:37 pm to
1. He didn't mention Europe. You and Reuters just made it up.

2. You and Reuters don't speak Trump. His tweet does not mean he wants negative interest rates. It means:
a. Lower rates.
or at least
b. Don't you dare increase rates.

It's been over 2 years now. You should have some clue on how he operates. But if you don't learn then never fear, we're here to translate. No charge.
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:39 pm to
He also said the US should refinance their debt. Pretty sure T-notes and T-bonds are non-callable. Therefore, I think this whole subject was either a troll or hyperbole.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 12:45 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33292 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:43 pm to
'Member when the stock market was up when Obama was president only because of "money printing" which was going to lead to hyper-inflation like Zimbabwe? I 'member.
Posted by yatesdog38
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
12737 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:46 pm to
and trump shouldn't be speaking for the Federal Reserve.

It's piss poor leadership. Do you work for a large corporation? Does your CEO send out troll emails?
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
1583 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:00 pm to
END the FED
Posted by Nawlens Gator
louisiana
Member since Sep 2005
5825 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:02 pm to

Trump needs to stay out of the Fed Reserves business. The Fed needs to stay independent of politics.

Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19307 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

if my savings rate is -1% and I go place $100 dollars in the bank


Then you are the biggest fool in town unless you need to have $100 in there to keep the account open for the sole purpose of paying your bills.

And in that case, as soon as I get my paycheck, all of it comes out less what I need to pay bills the next two weeks.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164011 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:07 pm to
This is how Trump operates you nitwits. Trump doesn’t want negative interest rates but he does want them lower. He comes out and talks about negative rates and the fed will meet him in the middle and lower them.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 1:09 pm
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112390 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:34 pm to
quote:

It's piss poor leadership. Do you work for a large corporation? Does your CEO send out troll emails?


Trump does not lead the fed. He is not the CEO of the fed.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
16945 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

He also said the US should refinance their debt.

Why? Based on government policies we have no intention to ever pay it back.
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
1583 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:51 pm to
The Fed needs to stay independent of the USA.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
16945 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

Our president supports negative interest rates

Political stunt to get re-elected.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33292 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:10 pm to
quote:

Why?
Because it's smart.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:14 pm to
This thread, like the last one on negative rates saddens me.

How is it possible that so few people comprehend that there's NOTHING different about the reasons for investing in a negative yield instrument vs the reasons for investing in a positive yield one?

Seriously. This is just bad
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84595 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 5:29 pm to
quote:

He also said the US should refinance their debt. Pretty sure T-notes and T-bonds are non-callable. Therefore, I think this whole subject was either a troll or hyperbole.


The far more likely scenario is that he doesn't truly understand what the Federal Reserve can/should do.
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