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OSHA vaccine rule questions for TD legal scholars
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:07 am
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:07 am
What is the general timeline for judicial review?
Do businesses need to wait for OSHA rules to actually be formalized before challenging the law?
Saw an article mentioning that challenges to the law are handled via judicial lottery rather that assignment to a specific federal district court. Can said court issue a stay that would delay the implementation of the rule?
How quickly can this thing make its way to the SCOTUS?
What do you think of the likelihood of a decision to have order narrowly struck down vs. broader unraveling of the executive branch's power via Chevron doctrine? Latter seems unlikely due to John Roberts, but what do I know?
Do businesses need to wait for OSHA rules to actually be formalized before challenging the law?
Saw an article mentioning that challenges to the law are handled via judicial lottery rather that assignment to a specific federal district court. Can said court issue a stay that would delay the implementation of the rule?
How quickly can this thing make its way to the SCOTUS?
What do you think of the likelihood of a decision to have order narrowly struck down vs. broader unraveling of the executive branch's power via Chevron doctrine? Latter seems unlikely due to John Roberts, but what do I know?
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 10:09 am
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:12 am to Lou Pai
The mandate is being given hell despite the media's normal talking points.
OSHA normally takes quite some time to implement any new regulation (generally). Until they formalize a regulation companies aren't technically liable.
I deal with CFRs frequently, OSHA being one, and IMHO I think that this will muddle out before it truly is mandated for non woke companies that are within the stated parameters.
You work for the woke you probably have already been given the ultimatum.
OSHA normally takes quite some time to implement any new regulation (generally). Until they formalize a regulation companies aren't technically liable.
I deal with CFRs frequently, OSHA being one, and IMHO I think that this will muddle out before it truly is mandated for non woke companies that are within the stated parameters.
You work for the woke you probably have already been given the ultimatum.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:14 am to Lou Pai
OSHA is a cucked, derelict organization that people in my career field laugh at. They are the last people you would trust to enforce these kinds of mandates
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:17 am to Geauxmbo
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The mandate is being given hell despite the media's normal talking points. OSHA normally takes quite some time to implement any new regulation (generally). Until they formalize a regulation companies aren't technically liable. I deal with CFRs frequently, OSHA being one, and IMHO I think that this will muddle out before it truly is mandated for non woke companies that are within the stated parameters. You work for the woke you probably have already been given the ultimatum.
I agree with everything you said and yes the woke companies are already making it a requirement for employees and contractors ie. Chevron, etc.
most other larger companies are going to do it as well because of executive agency pressure. Play ball or osha, bsee, etc will do a random inspection and “find” some violations to get a fine out of you among other things for punishment.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:23 am to Geauxmbo
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You work for the woke you probably have already been given the ultimatum.
My employer is run by woke Chicago liberals.
I haven't been given the ultimatum yet, but it's only a matter of time.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:23 am to Geauxmbo
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OSHA normally takes quite some time to implement any new regulation (generally). Until they formalize a regulation companies aren't technically liable.
My understanding is that they were bypassing the normal regulation procedures and going through some sort of emergency procedures to basically make these new rules applicable immediately.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:45 am to Lou Pai
Disclaimer: I have been following this but have not looked at where things stand in a few days.
1. What is the general timeline for judicial review?
This is complicated and will depend on whether an injunction is issued. My sense is that an injunction will be sought as soon as the reg takes effect and that things will be expedited. A normal case would take years to reach the USSC. I suspect this one gets there in months.
2. Do businesses need to wait for OSHA rules to actually be formalized before challenging the law?
Yes. (There is typically a public comment period, but this rule is being issued on an emergency basis and public comment is when you attempt to persuade the agency it is wrong. I take your question to address a judicial challenge.).
3. Saw an article mentioning that challenges to the law are handled via judicial lottery rather that assignment to a specific federal district court. Can said court issue a stay that would delay the implementation of the rule?
Yes, cases are assigned to specific judges within a given district by random selection. Also, the implementation of the reg could be delayed as the matter makes its way through the court system.
4.What do you think of the likelihood of a decision to have order narrowly struck down vs. broader unraveling of the executive branch's power via Chevron doctrine? Latter seems unlikely due to John Roberts, but what do I know?
This is where things get really interesting. If I recall correctly, Kavanaugh has expressed some Chevron skepticism. My guess, though, is that you see a narrow ruling that this rule is outside the legislative grant to OSHA, even under Chevron and even under the OSH Act's broad "general duty" clause.
1. What is the general timeline for judicial review?
This is complicated and will depend on whether an injunction is issued. My sense is that an injunction will be sought as soon as the reg takes effect and that things will be expedited. A normal case would take years to reach the USSC. I suspect this one gets there in months.
2. Do businesses need to wait for OSHA rules to actually be formalized before challenging the law?
Yes. (There is typically a public comment period, but this rule is being issued on an emergency basis and public comment is when you attempt to persuade the agency it is wrong. I take your question to address a judicial challenge.).
3. Saw an article mentioning that challenges to the law are handled via judicial lottery rather that assignment to a specific federal district court. Can said court issue a stay that would delay the implementation of the rule?
Yes, cases are assigned to specific judges within a given district by random selection. Also, the implementation of the reg could be delayed as the matter makes its way through the court system.
4.What do you think of the likelihood of a decision to have order narrowly struck down vs. broader unraveling of the executive branch's power via Chevron doctrine? Latter seems unlikely due to John Roberts, but what do I know?
This is where things get really interesting. If I recall correctly, Kavanaugh has expressed some Chevron skepticism. My guess, though, is that you see a narrow ruling that this rule is outside the legislative grant to OSHA, even under Chevron and even under the OSH Act's broad "general duty" clause.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 12:26 pm to MMauler
Technically they can institute an emergency standard hints the ETS. The issue being the current 'threat' simply doesn't equate to what's needed to implement such an emergency standard.
Another note is that OSHA implements any reg to protect workers health using LOTO, fall protection, etc. The idea their mitigation process consists of pushing a foreign substance which isn't commonly proven is certainly way outside of their realm. Not to mention health, in this general sense, should be hanlded mainly by the state. The fed shouldn't have such direct authority. OSHA is a fed entity thus enlies the second issue mentioned.
Another note is that OSHA implements any reg to protect workers health using LOTO, fall protection, etc. The idea their mitigation process consists of pushing a foreign substance which isn't commonly proven is certainly way outside of their realm. Not to mention health, in this general sense, should be hanlded mainly by the state. The fed shouldn't have such direct authority. OSHA is a fed entity thus enlies the second issue mentioned.
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