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Oregon takes 13 year old from mother for chosing alternative meds... that were working

Posted on 7/30/19 at 11:42 pm
Posted by Jjdoc
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Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 7/30/19 at 11:42 pm
This is a hard one. At least it is for me. A summary for you.

Her daughter fell ill suddenly, and it turned out to be a tumor in her liver that had erupted. She had to have a transfusion and after 6 months of treatments while in the hospital, there was no change.

She discharged her daughter, sought other treatments. They were working and the tumor shrank. Only 10% was left.

The DHS came in, took the kid, and was going to force her back on chemo. The mom decided to take her kid.

They were found in vegas, and the daughter was taken and the mom is now on the run.

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She was rushed to the ER on Wednesday, February 28th in excruciating pain. After 8 hours of exams and x-rays, we were delivered the news that she had a mass tumor inside her liver that had ruptured. The rupture had caused internal bleeding in her stomach, and the doctors at Providence Medical Hospital could no longer do anything further for Kylee. The night of February 28th, the doctors reached out to OHSU for an emergency transfer request, to get immediate blood transfusions and surgery done as her loss of blood was so severe that they gave OHSU a very urgent warning on only having an hour window to get Kylee the blood transfusion as we were racing against time..


Kylee would survive and her condition would start to improve. But her world was shattered again when the doctors had made a mistake in their initial prognosis.

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As we began to see some light at the end of the tunnel, another shock wave was delivered. On March 14th, we learned that the tumor was indeed cancerous (this was a complete shock to us all, sense we were 100% guaranteed by one of the surgeons and a doctor that was present while we were discussing her internal bleeding results at Doernbecker… The Surgeon stated that the tumor was a Benign tumor not malignant so for weeks in my mind I was reassured and set on my Daughter not having cancer. That trust was broken quickly, the trust I now have for the surgeons and doctors there went out the window..


While going through various different treatments Christina never left her daughter’s side, losing her business in the process. Doctors would make more mistakes with misdiagnoses that resulted in only more painful treatments. After going through six months of chemo therapy for what doctors weren’t sure was lung or liver cancer, and enduring bouts with pneumonia, all resulting in no progress in shrinking the tumor(s), Christina had enough and discharged her daughter to seek treatment elsewhere.


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After 6 long months of chemotherapy, and many malpractice occurrences, and my Daughters life on the line, that she was hanging on by a thin thread, and after many months of research I decided that I wanted to discharge my daughter and move forward with natural path medications! I was told that my daughter’s tumor would shrink drastically in the six months of us being at Doernbecher, at the end of those six months the last CT scan showed NO improvement on my daughter’s tumor-shrinking not even a centimeter!


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after two months we went in for another scan and to our surprise Kylee’s tumor had shrunk for the first time from a 32 by 34 to a 22 by 25, we were so happy I had tears of joy for days, I’ve been felt like I started to see a small light at the end of that tunnel! Even with her oncology doctor being completely against everything we were doing I kept pressing forward, even with all her threats miss- treatment I knew that this was the best for my daughter’s interest and for her life!



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DHS has been involved a month after I went home with Kylee. She’s been doing amazing and was able to walk, talk again, the brain damage we were told she would have, the natural meds have been able to reverse and restore allot of the damage.

With 10% left of her tumor I know the natural regimens I have on can destroy the remainder of that tumor. I have all the CT scans for the last six months to prove it’s done exactly that! DHS did not notify me until this morning 3/26/2019 at 11am to let me know that we have court at 1:30PM today, tell me if this was you as a parent, what would you do as a parent knowing everything you seen,?? knowing all those innocent lives that died from chemo in those 6 months of being there!!! I can’t just hand her back over to them!!! Look at the pictures, she’s doing amazing, the last CT scan showed 10 to 15% left of the tumor and no other cancer in her body.



Long story right. Again. They found them and took the daughter. Here is what happened in court


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In the most recent court hearing regarding what to do, July 19th, Kylee appeared with her case workers and foster parent. There were about 20 family members and friends who showed up in support of her. She seemed in good spirits and understands the totality of the circumstances. Kylee was allowed to hug and visit with family in the hallway outside of the courtroom. She was even allowed to voice her own preferences before the judge, where she said she wanted to be returned to her mother and continue with the naturopathic treatment. Officials from DHS CWS were there in opposition, arguing that Kylee should be forced against her will to undergo surgery and possibly more chemo. They argued that a 13 year old doesn’t have the right to decline the treatment. When they said that the tumor had shrunk after chemo, Kylee could be seen shaking her head “no”.




Clackamas county circuit court judge Heather Karabeika ultimately punted and deferred to state DHS automatrons.

If any good came from the hearing, it’s that DHS officials have agreed to expedite the approval process for transferring Kylee to family in Washington state. She also might be able to get her own cell phone in the near future so that she can stay in contact with her friends and family on her own volition. Right now she needs to get special approval to call her 17 year old sister, and DHS officials monitor the calls. DHS officials argued against Kylee getting her own phone, out of fear that she would run away to be with her own mother.

LINK


Where is the line drawn?



Edit to post a link to the 3rd page where Cancer.org and Cancer.gov (NCI-NIH) states CBD does work


This post was edited on 7/31/19 at 11:32 am
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
98658 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 11:49 pm to
But if this 13 yo wanted to transition to be a boy, then they would support it.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53426 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 11:56 pm to
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But if this 13 yo wanted to transition to be a boy, then they would support it.


Without parent consent.

Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61042 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 11:58 pm to
I'm highly skeptical of the naturopathic route ....I'm skeptical of this entire story...
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53426 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:09 am to
Why?


Here is the local news on it KGW news CBS

Posted by tigerfan4120
Member since Dec 2003
3262 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:18 am to
Why? Because the only “proof” showing that the naturopathic treatments have worked are quotations from the mother, who may or may not be crazy. There could be much more to the story here.
Posted by BPTiger
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2011
5268 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:25 am to
Mom or anyone who thinks they can treat cancer with CBD, vitamins, and herbs is a retard and the child will surely die of cancer if that is the plan for treatment.

That said, that state should have no power to step in and curb natural selection.
Posted by WildManGoose
Member since Nov 2005
4568 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:33 am to
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People who use alternative therapies had a 2.5 times higher death rate than patients who received standard care, according to a report from the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.


2.5 times is 150%. If I were a medical professional that would concern me. The comparisons to the U.K. idiocy aren't accurate though. They denied care. These doctors are forcing it. I'll grant you it's a complicated topic.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53426 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:36 am to
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Why?


He stated he doubt the story as in being real.

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Because the only “proof” showing that the naturopathic treatments have worked are quotations from the mother,


Scans are not proof?

BTW.. what does that have to do with the STATE taking kid from their parent who is giving treatment?

What's next? Kid is told at a school that they need to change their identity and because the parent refuses, the state steps in?

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who may or may not be crazy. There could be much more to the story here.


No. They are not saying she is crazy... they are saying she refused to continue down the path the drs demanded her to take. That is their only claim




Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111489 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:39 am to
Medical kidnapping is the tits, baby. All the cool people are doing it.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53426 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:40 am to
Where is the line?

Seriously?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66277 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:56 am to
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Scans are not proof? BTW.. what does that have to do with the STATE taking kid from their parent who is giving treatment? What's next? Kid is told at a school that they need to change their identity and because the parent refuses, the state steps in?


Again you’re only hearing what the mom says.

What if the scans did show improvement from the Chemo?

What if the cans didn’t show 90% reduction in the tumor from the CBD? What scans is the mom doing?

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BTW.. what does that have to do with the STATE taking kid from their parent who is giving treatment?


The “giving treatment” part is definitely at issue.

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No. They are not saying she is crazy... they are saying she refused to continue down the path the drs demanded her to take. That is their only claim


They’re saying the chemo was working and the daughter needs the chemo to live.

Posted by WildManGoose
Member since Nov 2005
4568 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:03 am to
They are claiming that the mother is putting the child in danger by willfully choosing a treatment path that is known to be much less effective. What if the mother was giving treatment with jello and milk duds? Would you call that "giving treatment"?

And you're comparing the state advocating cancer treatment to forced transgenderism? That's bonkers.
Posted by 187undercover
Member since May 2019
1538 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:19 am to
We are free.

Ponder that absurdity and realize you aren't as free as you believe you are.

Cry, bitch, come at me. You are an idiot if you think otherwise. Has zero to do with other nations in relation to ours. Only showing we aren't as free as anyone thinks they are.

Country has, at max, 20 years left as it stands today and that isn't saying much.


Posted by 187undercover
Member since May 2019
1538 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:28 am to
Anyone advocating the government has a right to choose what is best for someone's kid is a boot licking dick.

I have Ulcerative colitis. Not a god damn thing they have done has helped me.

Know what has helped me? Marijuana and I have pictures to prove it: 12 inch logs when before it was a bloody mess. frick the police if I ever get caught. It has been a miracle. On top of that I take a highly potent probiotic, juice celery and other vegetables, and eat healthy while working out when I can.

Thank God I'm old enough where I don't have to worry about any government body coming and telling me I can't so it and must do what the doctors want me to do.

Every person is different and has different results with different treatments. Who are you or anyone else to say she didn't respond to natural treatment with success? And who the frick decided a malevolent government had the right to choose health treatment for ones child?

The proof is in the government to prove its case not the mom.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53426 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:32 am to
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Again you’re only hearing what the mom says.

What if the scans did show improvement from the Chemo?

What if the cans didn’t show 90% reduction in the tumor from the CBD? What scans is the mom doing?



Again, this is about the gov taking a kid from the parent because they disagree with the path she chose.

Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53426 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:35 am to
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They are claiming that the mother is putting the child in danger by willfully choosing a treatment path that is known to be much less effective.


Is It?

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What if the mother was giving treatment with jello and milk duds? Would you call that "giving treatment"?


Has zero to do with the gov taking a kid because they don't approve.

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And you're comparing the state advocating cancer treatment to forced transgenderism? That's bonkers.


Not really. It's already a law in that state that the parent has no say in sex change operation or abortion from the age of 13.

Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56196 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 2:02 am to
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What's next? Kid is told at a school that they need to change their identity and because the parent refuses, the state steps in?

Canadian Judge Strips Transgender Child’s Parents of Rights
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
16970 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 2:28 am to
There's this thing called science and scientists want proof. In medicine the gold standard of proof are double blind placebo controlled trials. Preferably more than one. No neuropathic treatment comes anywhere close to that.

I am all for adults making the decision to do what they want, but when a parent forces a sick child to take these snake oil treatments, then I have no problem with the state stepping in.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98291 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 4:47 am to
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They argued that a 13 year old doesn’t have the right to decline the treatment.


I bet those same fricking state lawyers would be arguing the exact opposite if Kaylee wanted an abortion and mom was objecting to it.
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