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On trade front--China's exports surge in October

Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:02 pm
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:02 pm
News that China's exports continue to surge even after the tariffs went into effect will disappoint Trumpkins that want to punish Americans and destroy China.

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China’s exports surged anew last month on the back of resilient demand, defying many economists’ expectations for a slowdown from the trade fight with the U.S.

Demand for Chinese goods grew in developed and developing markets, from the U.S. to India, according to customs data released Thursday.

“It’s not just the U.S., wherever you look, especially the emerging markets, demand is solid,” said Liu Yaxin, an economist at China Merchants Securities .

The performance, economists said, suggested China is getting a boost from surprisingly healthy global demand and perhaps from a weaker yuan. Many economists attributed the export boom of recent months to businesses frontloading shipments before tariffs take effect, and they had expected that trend to fade.

China’s total exports rose 15.6% from a year earlier, the customs administration said, which tops the 14.5% year-over-year increase in September. Economists expected 11% growth.

Exports to India, Hong Kong and Brazil all grew by more than 20% last month from year ago, according to calculations by The Wall Street Journal based on customs data. Exports to the U.S. and the European Union also held up, rising 13% and 15% respectively.

Meanwhile, China’s appetite grew for global commodities, boosting imports 21.4% in October from a year earlier, compared with a 14.3% increase the previous month. Imports of crude oil jumped 89% on year.

Imports from the U.S., however, dropped 1.8% in October from a year earlier, following a 1.2% decline in September. The trade gap with the U.S. narrowed to $31.8 billion last month from September’s record monthly high of $34.1 billion.

Still, by Chinese figures, the near $260 billion surplus for the first 10 months this year is up 15% from a year earlier and puts China on track to post another record surplus with the U.S. Last year, China reported the largest-ever annual surplus of some $275.8 billion. The U.S. estimates the gap was even larger, at $375.2 billion.




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This post was edited on 11/8/18 at 12:04 pm
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:03 pm to
Isn't it good for us if Chinese exports go up despite the fact that they're paying a tariff? Doesn't that mean we're making more money off of them than we would without a tariff?
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51794 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:03 pm to
Why do you hate Christmas shopping baw?
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:03 pm to
What a martyr

This is good - more income to the treasury

Don’t know why asshats think decades long problems will be wrapped up in a week or two
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53435 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:04 pm to
That's AWESOME news man! Congrats!






Posted by CarolinaGamecock99
Member since Apr 2015
21855 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:05 pm to
So what should we do oh wise IBF?
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:05 pm to
It means the government bureaucracy is, yes.

It means you and I are paying more for what we buy.

It also means domestic competitors of Chinese manufacturers are simply adding the additional margin to their prices of the tariffs rather than trying to grab market share from the Chinese.

Posted by Summer of George
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
5995 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:06 pm to
Didn’t read
Auto downvote
Go frick yourself
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
14811 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:07 pm to
Can't wait till the extra 200 billion in tariffs go into effect. Or China gives in. We have to protect our intellectual property.
Posted by nugget
Mostly Peaceful Poster
Member since Dec 2009
13814 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:07 pm to
quote:

So what should we do oh wise IBF?


Don't ask him, he does better the more the US gets raped in trade.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118570 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:07 pm to
quote:

On trade front--China's exports surge in October



Are you on board with Chinese tariffs now? B/c this is an argument for tariffs not necessarily hurting anyone.
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
19188 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:07 pm to
quote:

It also means domestic competitors of Chinese manufacturers are simply adding the additional margin to their prices of the tariffs rather than trying to grab market share from the Chinese.
Hmmm, almost seems like when places raise the minimum wage, the product goes up in price. Interesting
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:08 pm to
End the tariffs of course.

What are they doing for us??? Nothing. US companies, like the steel companies, have simply raised their prices and profits on their existing US customers rather than using their tariff free cost advantage to grab market share and reduce Chinese imports.

This post was edited on 11/8/18 at 12:09 pm
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:08 pm to
quote:

Isn't it good for us if Chinese exports go up despite the fact that they're paying a tariff? Doesn't that mean we're making more money off of them than we would without a tariff?


Well, China is just devaluing their currency to offset the tariffs. US dollars become worth more relative to Chinese yuan.

So yeah, we are collecting a greater % tariff, but it’s on goods that are valued lower to begin with. So the additional tariff dollars are partially offset there too

This is part of why trump wants another round of tariffs.
This post was edited on 11/8/18 at 12:10 pm
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17942 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:08 pm to
quote:

Many economists attributed the export boom of recent months to businesses frontloading shipments before tariffs take effect, and they had expected that trend to fade. 



No shite sherlock.
Posted by AlceeFortier
Member since Dec 2016
1795 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:08 pm to
prices go up for USA consumers? american jobs lost? asking for a friend. I dont know if this is true but it seems plausible if we are buying chinese goods still at a higher price due to the tariffs????
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259837 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:09 pm to
quote:

Doesn't that mean we're making more money off of them than we would without a tariff?


Well, the US consumer pays for it.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:10 pm to
quote:

It means the government bureaucracy is, yes.


Which results in more money staying inside the United States and less going overseas.

quote:

It also means domestic competitors of Chinese manufacturers are simply adding the additional margin to their prices of the tariffs rather than trying to grab market share from the Chinese.


Which means domestic manufacturers now have more resources to expand production or hire more workers. Rather than that money go overseas, it's being spent and earned here.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:10 pm to
quote:

Well, China is just devaluing their currency to offset the tariffs. US dollars become worth more relative to Chinese yuan.



The RMB has declined some in value but nothing like the 10% tariff on all goods and the 25% tariff protecting the steel industry.

Not even close.
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
11804 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:10 pm to
That will not continue if the trade war escalates. Brazil and India are not about to make up the difference for a loss of the American market. Like not even close.

This is mostly an anomaly in a one month sample size.
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