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re: Obama Took a Cache of Classified Documents and Kept Them in an Abandoned Furniture Store.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:48 am to Vacherie Saint
Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:48 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:
so when you post something misleading its satire, but when we dont do that, you falsely accuse of of it anyway and call it dishonest?
Yes, ditto for "obvious rhetorical language" when he uses it, lying when other people do.
His timeout broke him.
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Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:52 am to AggieHank86
oh ffs
Posted on 9/23/22 at 12:00 pm to Flats
I called it on the last page. He'll start calling people ignorant when his arguments get challenged or his duplicity gets pointed out. His response to my last post was that I was "delusional" for calling an abandoned furniture warehouse an abandoned furniture warehouse.
Maybe another one is in order. He's not here to have good faith debates. All he does is troll and spam.
quote:
His timeout broke him.
Maybe another one is in order. He's not here to have good faith debates. All he does is troll and spam.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 1:34 pm to Decatur
quote:
Thread title is false.
Is it?
So Decatur, what was the $3,300,000.00 transfer used for again? I may have missed that.
You're claiming the Obama Foundation was charged several million dollars to move classified files back to the NARA because the NARA decided to stash them in an abandoned furniture store?
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 9/23/22 at 1:39 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Is it?
Yes, I believe NARA was pretty clear about that.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 1:41 pm to NC_Tigah
Odd Point.
The facility was not leased by Obama or by the Obama Foundation, but rather by the GSA (General Services Administration), to be used to store and organize the documents in question.
Odd that the GSA would lease a non-compliant facility, with full knowledge of the manner in which it would be used.
The facility was not leased by Obama or by the Obama Foundation, but rather by the GSA (General Services Administration), to be used to store and organize the documents in question.
Odd that the GSA would lease a non-compliant facility, with full knowledge of the manner in which it would be used.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 1:42 pm to AggieHank86
Equally as odd that they would ship documents to MAL without considering security?
Posted on 9/23/22 at 1:42 pm to AggieHank86
DUMMY!
Posted on 9/23/22 at 1:47 pm to jawnybnsc
quote:I have never said that the Mar-a-Lago facility was not secure.
Equally as odd that they would ship documents to MAL without considering security?
My point is that the GSA leased the Hoffman Estates property specifically for storage of the Obama documents and for "digitization" of those documents by Obama and/or his Foundation.
Do you not find it odd that a governmental entity (the GSA) would lease a property for a known purpose, if the facility did not comply with applicable governmental security standards?
I do.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:04 pm to AggieHank86
The documents were transferred to Chicago and stored by the Obama Foundation in conjunction with the Obama presidential library, and were taken under titular NARA "control" around that time. The location was chosen by the foundation, not the GSA- otherwise it would be in DC where the Obamas lived after leaving the WH. NARA allowed this arrangement under the promise that the foundation (NOT NARA or the GSA or the FBI) would digitize the content for NARA's purposes and the Obama Foundation would be, at that point, "borrowing" the native material for use in the library. They never digitized anything, despite the claim that 95% of it was electronic anyway. Historians publicly criticized the arrangement at the time.
They (NARA and the Obama Foundation) raced to their microphones in August to claim that none of this material was classified - except now we know that was all a lie.
They (NARA and the Obama Foundation) raced to their microphones in August to claim that none of this material was classified - except now we know that was all a lie.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:09 pm to AggieHank86
I also find it odd that, as was widely reported at the time, the feds would document and catalogue every scrap of material taken from the WH at the end of Obama's term, but not extend that same courtesy to the Trumps. Did they suspend long-standing protocol for a man they consider to be a dictator?
The reality is that the feds were aware of everything Trump had, had signed off on (and even provided recommendations for)his secure storage arrangements, and were engaged in an open and non-contentious transfer of material with Trump.
They went in on a likely bogus tip about hidden documents in a safe that was reportedly empty, and walked out with his passports, health and financial papers, and possibly even his will. There's no justification for that.
The reality is that the feds were aware of everything Trump had, had signed off on (and even provided recommendations for)his secure storage arrangements, and were engaged in an open and non-contentious transfer of material with Trump.
They went in on a likely bogus tip about hidden documents in a safe that was reportedly empty, and walked out with his passports, health and financial papers, and possibly even his will. There's no justification for that.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:12 pm to NC_Tigah
It was never considered a huge deal. It's only a big deal now because omb. Like how it was always acceptable to question elections ...until trump started doing it, then it became akin to the holocaust on steroids.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:13 pm to Decatur
quote:
Yes, I believe NARA was pretty clear about that.
They were pretty clear about charging the Obama Foundation $3.3M.
You're saying the NARA decided to ship classified materials to a strip mall furniture store, then charged TOF $3.3M to correct the NARA miscue?
That is an interesting take.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:16 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:All true, but every article that addresses the actual lease says that it was executed by the GSA.
The documents were transferred to Chicago and stored by the Obama Foundation in conjunction with the Obama presidential library, and were taken under titular NARA "control" around that time.
quote:True. And it appears that the Foundation did not do so. Shame on them.
NARA allowed this arrangement under the promise that the Foundation would digitize the content for NARA's purposes
None of which explains why the GSA signed a lease for a non-compliant facility.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:19 pm to Plx1776
Exactly. As peculiar as the Obama Foundation's arrangement with NARA was at the time, it was a non-issue.
The issue here is the narrative that leaving the WH with classified material (which could literally be a "thank you" note from a world leader) was illegal, and that these documents were "stolen". Or that the 45 Room at MAL was inadequate or unconventional for these purposes.
The truth is, all material taken from the WH at the end of an administration is catalogued and documented before it goes anywhere. The Feds work with the outgoing administration and NARA (which legally "own" the material at that point) to store, then transfer (and/or replicate) that material for the Archives. The outgoing administration can retain, or technically "borrow" this material for use in memoirs, presidential libraries, etc...
The issue here is the narrative that leaving the WH with classified material (which could literally be a "thank you" note from a world leader) was illegal, and that these documents were "stolen". Or that the 45 Room at MAL was inadequate or unconventional for these purposes.
The truth is, all material taken from the WH at the end of an administration is catalogued and documented before it goes anywhere. The Feds work with the outgoing administration and NARA (which legally "own" the material at that point) to store, then transfer (and/or replicate) that material for the Archives. The outgoing administration can retain, or technically "borrow" this material for use in memoirs, presidential libraries, etc...
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:20 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Are you fricking blind? There's a picture in the OP. Good grief you're a terrible person.
Abandoned Furniture Store
This semantic game is SO VERY childish. This language is chosen to create the impression that Obama was storing important materials here
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:21 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
None of which explains why the GSA signed a lease for a non-compliant facility.
Who said it was non-compliant? Who says the GSA wouldn't cut a few corners for O if it were?
The issue isnt the facility itself. Its the narrative contrast of a presidential office being deemed unsecure or unfit for these purposes, but a strip mall in Chicago hitting all the marks.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:22 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Do you not find it odd that a governmental entity (the GSA) would lease a property for a known purpose, if the facility did not comply with applicable governmental security standards?
I do.
no, there are dumb people in our government.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:28 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Das macht nichts to me.
Do you not find it odd that a governmental entity (the GSA) would lease a property for a known purpose, if the facility did not comply with applicable governmental security standards?
I have no opinion as to the "facility" safety/security at all. Perhaps an abandoned strip mall furniture store located next to a Walgreens is as secure as Ft Knox.
All I am saying is the location is the Obama Foundation Facility, and TOF had classified documents stored there. Documents the NARA is charging TOF $3.3M to relocate.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:32 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
All I am saying is the location is the Obama Foundation Facility, and TOF had classified documents stored there. Documents the NARA is charging TOF $3.3M to relocate.
And both NARA and TOF lied about the existence of classified documents at this facility in August.
But that's (D)ifferent.
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