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re: NYT: Protect Pedophiles
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:58 pm to Hawkeye95
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:58 pm to Hawkeye95
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Posted by Hawkeye95
if you read the op-ed, it sounds more than reasonable in fact a good idea. How can you argue, we should not try to stop child molestation before it starts?
the op ed is very clear that if they commit a crime, they should suffer the consequences. But why not try to get them help before they commit a crime?
Zach's an idiot and no one read the actual oped. That's why people are posting that OMG they want to make pedo "normal" or the tired slippery slope trope.
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:00 pm to Robin Masters
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Maybe they are born that way, but until they are allowed to seek help and allow us to study them without fear of reprisal we may never know. You didn't realize you were doing it but you proved the need for the programs suggested in the OP-ed. Sounds like you are firmly on the side of science and reason, congrats.
They have been studying it for ages, moron. There already are scientists who study pedophilia that say it is a genetic trait. Will there be a movement to make pedophilia legal now that it is being proven genetic? Slippery slope.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:00 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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My problem is I really can't believe we ever let these people back out into society after they commit this crime.
I feel like Pedos, Murderers and rapists should be a lifetime you're done kind of thing.
I see your point, I am just not sure its a good use of funds. From what I understand in the article is you commit a sex crime (say date rape), and while serve time its discovered you are a predo, you could be locked up forever b.c of it. that doesn't sound like america to me.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:00 pm to Hawkeye95
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How can you argue, we should not try to stop child molestation before it starts?
Because the recidivism rate is something like 90%. Can't be cured. Besides, once you categorize it as a 'disability' then the ADA kicks in and they get benefits.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:00 pm to Zach
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If you read the actual oped you see how stupid your arguments and the arguments put forth by front page about slippery slope are. It's pathetic really.
I read the actual oped and your assertion that the OP is from a 'HEADLINE' is so stupid that I would not reappear on this thread if I were you. But if you want more embarrassment, knock yourself out.
If you read the NYT oped and you're posting based off that you should quit the internets old man.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:01 pm to cwill
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Zach's an idiot and no one read the actual oped.
I did. And I'm sure some others did. That would make you a liar as well as a fool.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:02 pm to Zach
Wait, wait, wait, weren't there a bunch of complete f*cking idiots on here just a couple months back mocking anyone who would suggest that the far left would be making this exact proposition???
Nooooooooooooooo, it could never happen.
Just like in the '90's after Bowers v. Hardwick came out and we were all assured that only someone with a single-digit IQ would ever suggest that gay marriage is a Constitutional right.
You stupid mother f*ckers will never learn how truly demented and sick the left is.
Nooooooooooooooo, it could never happen.
Just like in the '90's after Bowers v. Hardwick came out and we were all assured that only someone with a single-digit IQ would ever suggest that gay marriage is a Constitutional right.
You stupid mother f*ckers will never learn how truly demented and sick the left is.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:03 pm to Zach
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Because the recidivism rate is something like 90%.
for those that are caught, this is for those who seek treatment before committing a crime.
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once you categorize it as a 'disability' then the ADA kicks in and they get benefits.
what specifically is your concern? what benefits are you worried about them getting?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:04 pm to Al Dante
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Maybe they are born that way, but until they are allowed to seek help and allow us to study them without fear of reprisal we may never know. You didn't realize you were doing it but you proved the need for the programs suggested in the OP-ed. Sounds like you are firmly on the side of science and reason, congrats.
They have been studying it for ages, moron. There already are scientists who study pedophilia that say it is a genetic trait. Will there be a movement to make pedophilia legal now that it is being proven genetic? Slippery slope.
Do you seriously believe because pedophilia is genetic like any number of mental disorders that pedophilia would be legalized? That rape would be legalized?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:05 pm to cwill
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If you read the NYT oped and you're posting based off that you should quit the internets old man.
The article is there for all to read. Posters can decide for themselves, moron.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:06 pm to MMauler
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Posted by MMauler
Wait, wait, wait, weren't there a bunch of complete f*cking idiots on here just a couple months back mocking anyone who would suggest that the far left would be making this exact proposition???
Nooooooooooooooo, it could never happen.
Just like in the '90's after Bowers v. Hardwick came out and we were all assured that only someone with a single-digit IQ would ever suggest that gay marriage is a Constitutional right.
You stupid mother f*ckers will never learn how truly demented and sick the left is.
So what is it that is being put forth in the oped that is exactly like the previously posted proposition?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:08 pm to Hawkeye95
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what specifically is your concern? what benefits are you worried about them getting?
Specifically, they would likely get home health, a stipend for living expenses, and access to unlimited mental health personnel, facilities and medications.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:10 pm to Hawkeye95
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for those that are caught, this is for those who seek treatment before committing a crime.
Oh please. So a ped is going to feel an urge and then walk into a clinic and say 'please stop me'. Besides, what is preventing that from happening now? If he hasn't committed a crime he won't get arrested for seeking help.
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what specifically is your concern? what benefits are you worried about them getting?
Are you kidding? You're not familiar with the ADA? If it is classified as a disability then a worker can file suit if his place of employment allows children. He must have a 'child free' environment or be compensated.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:10 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Specifically, they would likely get home health, a stipend for living expenses, and access to unlimited mental health personnel, facilities and medications.
Yep you're right...molesting kids is a better option.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:11 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Specifically, they would likely get home health, a stipend for living expenses, and access to unlimited mental health personnel, facilities and medications.
the ADA provides for that? Color me shocked. I thought it was just equal access.
Do you have a link for me?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:11 pm to Robin Masters
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Yep you're right...molesting kids is a better option.
You falsely presume any of those resources would prevent that from occurring.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:14 pm to Zach
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Oh please. So a ped is going to feel an urge and then walk into a clinic and say 'please stop me'. Besides, what is preventing that from happening now? If he hasn't committed a crime he won't get arrested for seeking help.
you honestly didn't read the source oped did you? He could get fired from their job if they seek treatment, which is what the author is arguing is a bad idea. Seek treatment for pedophilia and get fired, do you see how that could be a deterrent for seeking treatment?
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Are you kidding? You're not familiar with the ADA? If it is classified as a disability then a worker can file suit if his place of employment allows children. He must have a 'child free' environment or be compensated.
I believe the author suggests that there should be a carve out in protection when it comes to jobs with kids around, such as a teacher.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:14 pm to MMauler
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Just like in the '90's after Bowers v. Hardwick came out and we were all assured that only someone with a single-digit IQ would ever suggest that gay marriage is a Constitutional right.
You do realize that Bowers v. Hardwick was a 5-4 decision, don't you?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:16 pm to Turbeauxdog
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You falsely presume any of those resources would prevent that from occurring.
And your presumption that they wouldn't is based on? I'd rather know where the potential threats living then not. Seems like a very fair trade to me...but I have two young kids so maybe I put more import on knowing where they pervs are than you.
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