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NYT : Barr's belief that FBI probe was not legitimate is based directly on Durham findings


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this is very interesting.

Remember, horowitz ONLY deals with the FBI. He is not able to inspect foreign agencies or the CIA. Furthermore, he is not a prosecutor. He can only refer. Durham is a prosecutor running a criminal probe. He can subpoena and get the docs he needs.
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Horowitz is protecting the swamp


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Rooskie
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Its a movie. Wait for the next act.
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Big Jim Slade
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The FBI was given bogus info and Horowitz will deem them reckless in failing to verify it and presenting it to the court. Will be some other procedural improprieties noted and maybe one criminal referral for the underlying. But as reported, he will find that they had a valid basis for the prosecution (based on bogus CIA info provided). Dems will claim victory.

However, the CIA was on the other side of the globe generating the false info through Steele and feeding it back to the FBI. I think Durham found misfud and got info as to who he was working for/with and additional info from Italian intelligence. I think the origins of the “get Trump” operation was handled by Brennan and the CIA and will be the basis of the Durham criminal case.


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I haven't been following all of this. Wasn't there also a WaPo article out saying Barr Durham found more than Horowitz? Add to this the article posted yesterday that they are calling for Barr's impeachment?

Horowitz says they lack candor need sensitivity classes... yadda yadda yadda ---he tends to protect them he cleared HRC and basically Comey already.--- Durham hits pay dirt.

I sure hope Horowitz didn't repeat the muh Russians BS like honest Bob. Also if anybody will clear Flynn it will be Durham.

Unless Horowitz had to do a massive re do and add what Durham found?

We should not be held captive with spy book scenarios happening in our govt. IRL; and guessing with a corrupt as hell media. It is all real old and someone needs to pop the boil already and advance treatment with the pus in prison.


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Imbed and copy and paste. What a life.


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. I think the origins of the “get Trump” operation was handled by Brennan and the CIA and will be the basis of the Durham criminal case.




Was Isikoff's "reporting" cited in the FISA requests that we've seen? Even disregarding the sketchy origins of the dossier it should be a jailable offense to plant stories in the media and then cite the resulting stories as corroboration.


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It’s impossible to listen to Brennan’s partisanship and not conclude he’d be willing to use the CIA to go after political opponents. It needs to become a fireable offense for these high-level bureaucrats to be caught in blatant acts of hyper-partisanship.


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It needs to become a fireable offense for these high-level bureaucrats to be caught in blatant acts of hyper-partisanship.


They should get jail time and lose their pension for attempting to set up innocent people.
We are supposed to have a rule of law, and it requires the law holders to give exemplary examples and to be far above the appearance of wrong doing. These people put innocent people in jail, such as Poppa D and have tried to put Flynn in jail. Sadly they knew all along that both were completely innocent.


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I’m with Big Jim on this one (Slade, not Comey)


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They should get jail time and lose their pension for attempting to set up innocent people.
We are supposed to have a rule of law, and it requires the law holders to give exemplary examples and to be far above the appearance of wrong doing. These people put innocent people in jail, such as Poppa D and have tried to put Flynn in jail. Sadly they knew all along that both were completely innocent.



That "Lying to Federal Investigators" charge is straight star chamber bull shite devised solely as a tool to compel desired testimony, whether truthful or not. False testimony under oath is perjury, false testimony germane to a pending court proceeding is likely obstruction of justice. Even with a loose reading of "germane" those standards are based on reasonable expectations of citizenship. But criminalizing statements that fail to meet either of those reasonable standards is not worthy of a Republic of free and equal citizens. Peasants have to agree to be peasants. The dice are still tumbling, we don't where they'll land.



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I think Barr also stopped Horowitz from whitewashing.

His report may not be the whole enchilada but there's gonna be guacamole and some good cheese dip to go with your margaritas while Durham puts the finishing touches on the main course


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Wednesday
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Bill Barr = GAGOAT


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Remember, horowitz ONLY deals with the FBI. He is not able to inspect foreign agencies or the CIA.

i haven't been actively participating on this board much lately but that was always my question about certain concerns about the report

if Strozk was doing some dirt, he didn't have the reach for certain parts of that op, especially involving guys like Downer. that would be CIA


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re: NYT : Barr's belief that FBI probe was not legitimate is based directly on Durham findings
Don't believe the NYT


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re: NYT : Barr's belief that FBI probe was not legitimate is based directly on Durham findings
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Horowitz will deem them reckless in failing to verify it and presenting it to the court. Will be some other procedural improprieties noted and maybe one criminal referral for the underlying. But as reported, he will find that they had a valid basis for the prosecution (based on bogus CIA info provided)


I’m convinced OIGs exist NOT to hold people accountable, but instead to make recommendations for corrective action when problems are discovered, and prevent them from recurring.

If you view it through that lense, past OIG findings make perfect sense, and may predict what we should expect next week.

I’d suggest Durham exists for accountability. Not Horowitz.
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So now the Horowitz report is no good we just have to wait for the next one. Sigh


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Not looking good for the home team in DC. Visitors about to clean up.


tigeraddict
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IMO this sounds like Horowitz investigation was limited (internal FISA procedures) in scope, and based on his limited scope findings, he can't come to definitive conclusions. However, Durham's investigation was grater (international interactions related to FISA and more) and he has more of the details.

NYT (and other MSM outlets) are already trying to put the focus narrative on "Horowitz, who is independent, found nothing illegial, and Durham/Barr are just doing Trumps bidding"


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bamarep
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re: NYT : Barr's belief that FBI probe was not legitimate is based directly on Durham findings
Keep in mind that Horowitz can ONLY investigate things concerning the FBI/DOJ.

The origins of the Russia investigation didn't come from anywhere Horowitz has the ability to look into.

The origins came from the CIA and John fricking Brennan. Durham uncovered this on his trip to Italy after interviewing Misfud and digging into his phone.


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