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https://amp.denofgeek.com/us/culture/280755/the-x-files-revealed-unidentified-history?__twitter_impression=true

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The X-Files Revealed: The Paranormal Roots of the Pentagon’s UFO Program New revelations shed light on secret government investigations in History's Unidentified: Inside America’s UFO Investigation.
FEATURE Alejandro Rojas


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At the end of 2017, The New York Times broke the story of a secretive Pentagon program with a budget of $22 million to investigate UFOs called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). The man who exposed the existence of the program, Luis Elizondo, was the former head of the project. Elizondo’s ongoing efforts to investigate the UFO mystery with his new employer, the To the Stars Academy (TTSA), will be featured in a History Channel series premiering May 31 called Unidentified: Inside America’s UFO Investigation.


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However, what The New York Times apparently did not know when they published their story is that the program went by a different name at its inception, and the scope of the program was much broader than just UFOs. In fact, according to a senior manager on the project, the investigations included “bizarre creatures, poltergeist activity, invisible entities, orbs of light, animal and human injuries and much more.” It is unknown whether Unidentified will cover the paranormal aspects of the program. Although Elizondo did work with this paranormal project, he only worked in the UFO division. By the time he was the head of the entire program, the UFO division was all that was left. The rest of the program had been shut down, and you will never guess why. It wasn’t because people inside the Department of Defense (DoD) thought the program was too weird, although some did. It was shut down because of demonic forces.


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Don’t worry, demons didn't attack the Pentagon, but apparently, some people inside the government were afraid the potentially paranormal incidents being investigated could be demonic, especially scary occurrences taking place at a ranch in Utah, and they wanted no part of it. They didn’t want the government messing with demons either, so they lobbied for the program to be ended and it was.


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The family, using the pseudonym Gorman, said they had several terrifying experiences. Among them was the sighting of a giant wolf-like creature that attacked cattle, could withstand multiple point-blank gunshots and seemed to disappear into thin air. The incident that caused them to leave for good, however, was when their beloved dogs chased glowing orbs of light into the forest at night never to be seen again.


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The NIDS investigators had their share of experiences as well. As detailed in Knapp and Kelleher’s book, the strangest occurred in the middle of the night while two researchers were observing the ranch from the edge of a bluff. As they were packing up to leave at around 2:30 am, one of them noticed a light in the forest below. At first, they thought it might be a reflection. However, as they watched, the light began to grow. Once it became a couple of feet wide, they say it looked like a tunnel opening up, and they saw a creature within. It was large and black with no face. It crawled out of the light and into the dark forest. The light then began to disappear until it was gone

Kelleher said years ago he felt whatever was going on at the Skinwalker Ranch outsmarted them and anticipated their actions.

John Alexander, a retired Colonel in U.S. Army Intelligence who also spent time working at Los Alamos Laboratories and still does some work as a defense consultant, helped organize NIDS investigations. In a YouTube interview for OpenMinds.tv in 2013, he describes what they encountered at the ranch as a “precognitive sentient phenomena.”
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Due to the nature of the project, it was kept as quiet as possible. Few in Congress knew it existed. However, it didn’t take long for religious factions within the government to raise concerns. “They’re basically high-level people in different intelligence agencies who are fundamentalist Christians; who think that anything involving UFOs and the paranormal is satanic,” says Knapp. “Certain senior government officials thought our collection of facts on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) was dangerous to their philosophical beliefs,” Elizondo wrote in a post on Medium. “They decided the data was a threat to their belief system.”


I have thought about this TV show and TTSA approach (social media and movie/arts) as the prime movers to getting this info out

At face value it seems ridiculous

In reality it is a commentary on how simple our society has become. Going through those channels has the best chance on getting as many eye/ears on the information
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Posted on 5/21/19 at 10:11 pm to
Warning: PDF link

Content quoted below


https://bdigital.ufp.pt/bitstream/10284/781/1/223-239Cons-Ciencias%2002-8.pdf

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Incommensurability, Orthodoxy and the Physics of High Strangeness: A 6-layer Model for Anomalous Phenomena

Jacques F. Vallee and Eric W. Davis *


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The Challenge of High Strangeness

The rational study of reported cases of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP), including religious apparitions such as the so-called “miracles of Fatima” and other Marial events is currently at an impasse. This situation has as much to do with the incomplete state of our models of physical reality as it does with the complexity of the data. A primary objection to the reality of UAP events among scientists is that witnesses consistently report objects whose seemingly absurd behavior “cannot possibly” be related to actual phenomena, even under extreme conditions. In that respect the similarity is striking between contemporary events reported as UFO close encounters and the more traditional observations of entities described as “angels,” elves and fairies, or deities. Skeptics insist that superior beings, celestial ambas- sadors or intelligent extraterrestrial (ETI) visitors simply would not perpetrate such antics as are reported in the literature. This argument can be criticized as an anthropocentric, self-selected observation resulting from our own limited viewpoint as 21st century Homo Sapiens trying to draw conclusions about the nature of the universe. Nonetheless, the high strangeness of many reports and the absurdity attending religious miracles must be acknowledged.


Advocates of UAP reality, on the other hand, generally claim that the Extra-Terrestrial Hypothesis (ETH) centered on interstellar travelers from extrasolar systems visiting the Earth remains the most likely explanation for the objects and the entities associated with them. Accordingly, they would re-interpret Biblical stories and religious apparitions in the framework of visits from space aliens. This argument, too, can be challenged on the basis of the witnesses’ own testimony: Ufologists have consistently ignored or minimized reports of seemingly absurd behaviors that contradict the ETH, by selectively extracting data that best fits their agenda or version of the theory. Thus the ETH, just like the skeptical argument, is based on anthro- pocentric self-selection (Vallee, 1990). Here we are witnessing an interesting overlap between the SETI and UAP paradigms: each excludes consideration of the other when laying claim to the legitimate search for and contact with potential non-human intelligence.

In the view of the authors, current hypotheses are not strange enough to explain the facts of the phenomenon, and the debate suffers from a lack of scientific information. Indeed, from the viewpoint of modern physics, our Cosmic Neighborhood could encompass other (parallel) universes, extra spatial dimensions and other time-like dimensions beyond the common 4-dimensional spacetime we recognize, and such aspects could lead to rational explanations for apparently “incomprehensible” behaviors on the part of entities emerging into our perceived continuum. As it attempts to reconcile theory with observed properties of elementary particles and with discoveries at the frontiers of cosmology, modern physics suggests that mankind has not yet discovered all of the universe’s facets, and we must propose new theories and experiments in order to explore these undis- covered facets. This is why continuing study of reported anomalous events is important: It may provide us with an existence theorem for new models of physical reality.

Much of the recent progress in cosmological concepts is directly appli- cable to the problem: Traversable wormholes (3-dimensional hypersurface tunnels) have now been derived from Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity (Morris and Thorne, 1988; Visser, 1995). In particular, it has been shown that Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity does not in any way constrain spacetime topology, which allows for wormholes to provide traversable connections between regions within two separate universes or between remote regions and/or times within the same universe. Mathematically it can also be shown that higher-dimensional wormholes can provide hypersurface connections between multidimensional spaces (Rucker, 1984; Kaku, 1995). Recent quantum gravity programs have explored this property in superstring theory, along with proposals to theoretically and experimentally examine macroscopic-scale extra-dimensional spaces (Schwarzschild, 2000). Thus it is now widely acknowledged that the nature of our universe is far more complex than observations based on anthropocentric self-selection portend. In this respect, ufologists and SETI researchers appear to be fighting a rear- -guard battle. Both suffer from identical limitations in the worldview they bring to their own domains, and to their antagonism.

Anthropocentric Bias in the SETI and UAP Paradigms


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Posted on 5/21/19 at 10:38 pm to
This thread has the goods tonight
Posted by westide
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Posted on 5/21/19 at 10:57 pm to
I am hoping we can make a deal with the aliens to abduct all liberals. They can do whatever they want with them, but can never bring them back.
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Posted on 5/21/19 at 11:02 pm to
Nancy and Chuck are aliens! Maxine is a reptilian.
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Posted on 5/21/19 at 11:10 pm to
TPA , have you ever read the book Black Elk Speaks ? Do you think it was true that he could see things happening here in the US while in England . Was he entering another portal to see these things .
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 5/23/19 at 4:59 pm to
Updated video
Testimonials from US Navy sailors from the Nimitz

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_uuU48z28m0

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The Nimitz Encounter
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Published on May 23, 2019
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Ponder why the Navy is the lead on this...

https://www.history.com/news/ufo-sightings-speed-appearance-movement

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MAY 20, 2019

These 5 UFO Traits, Seen by Navy Fighters, Defy Explanation

MISSY SULLIVAN & GREG DAUGHERTY


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"It's white. It has no wings. It has no rotors." "It didn't fly like an aircraft. It was so unpredictable—high g, rapid velocity, rapid acceleration." "I didn't see a trail." "It was going 70-plus knots underwater."


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1) Anti-gravity lift. Unlike any known aircraft, these objects have been sighted overcoming the earth’s gravity with no visible means of propulsion. They also lack any flight surfaces, such as wings. In the Nimitz incident, witnesses describe the crafts as tubular, shaped like a Tic Tac candy.
M2) Sudden and instantaneous acceleration. The objects may accelerate or change direction so quickly that no human pilot could survive the g-forces—they would be crushed. In the Nimitz incident, radar operators say they tracked one of the UFOs as it dropped from the sky at more than 30 times the speed of sound. Black Aces squadron commander David Fravor, the Nimitz-based fighter pilot who was sent to intercept one of the objects, likened its rapid side-to-side movements, later captured on infrared video, to that of a ping-pong ball. Radar operators on the USS Princeton, part of the Nimitz carrier group, tracked the object accelerating from a standing position to traveling 60 miles in a minute—an astounding 3,600 miles an hour. According to manufacturer Boeing, the F/A 18 Super Hornet fighter jet typically currently reaches a maximum speed of Mach 1.6, or about 1,200 miles an hour. READ MORE: UFO Stories

3) Hypersonic velocities without signatures. If an aircraft travels faster than the speed of sound, it typically leaves "signatures," like vapor trails and sonic booms. Many UFO accounts note the lack of such evidence.

4) Low observability, or cloaking. Even when objects are observed, getting a clear and detailed view of them—either through pilot sightings, radar or other means—remains difficult. Witnesses generally only see the glow or haze around them.

5) Trans-medium travel. Some UAP have been seen moving easily in and between different environments, such as space, the earth’s atmosphere and even water. In the Nimitz incident, witnesses described a UFO hovering over a churning "disturbance" just under the ocean's otherwise calm surface, leading to speculation that another craft had entered the water. USS Princeton radar operator Gary Vorhees later confirmed from a Navy sonar operator in the area that day that a craft was moving faster than 70 knots, roughly two times the speed of nuclear subs. No one has yet gotten close to crafts that display these traits, so their origins are still unknown. Are they a super-top-secret U.S. defense project? Do they hail from Russia? China? Or from even further afield? The only thing we do know is that their capabilities exceed any technologies currently in the U.S. arsenal.


If you were an advanced civilization capable of above, where would you set up shop...

Under the ocean and underground...
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Posted on 5/23/19 at 5:19 pm to
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 5/27/19 at 12:30 pm to
Same authors as the article in OP

To be clear, this is a different event than the OP

OP was off west coast/ Nimitz
This event was off the east coast (VA)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/us/politics/ufo-sightings-navy-pilots.html

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‘Wow, What Is That?’ Navy Pilots Report Unexplained Flying Objects


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By Helene Cooper, Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kean
May 26, 2019 8

WASHINGTON — The strange objects, one of them like a spinning top moving against the wind, appeared almost daily from the summer of 2014 to March 2015, high in the skies over the East Coast. Navy pilots reported to their superiors that the objects had no visible engine or infrared exhaust plumes, but that they could reach 30,000 feet and hypersonic speeds.

“These things would be out there all day,” said Lt. Ryan Graves, an F/A-18 Super Hornet pilot who has been with the Navy for 10 years, and who reported his sightings to the Pentagon and Congress. “Keeping an aircraft in the air requires a significant amount of energy. With the speeds we observed, 12 hours in the air is 11 hours longer than we’d expect.”

In late 2014, a Super Hornet pilot had a near collision with one of the objects, and an official mishap report was filed. Some of the incidents were videotaped, including one taken by a plane’s camera in early 2015 that shows an object zooming over the ocean waves as pilots question what they are watching. “Wow, what is that, man?” one exclaims. “Look at it fly!”


Vid at site above

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Videos filmed by Navy pilots show two encounters with flying objects. One was captured by a plane’s camera off the coast of Jacksonville, Fla., on Jan. 20, 2015. That footage, published previously but with little context, shows an object tilting like a spinning top moving against the wind. A pilot refers to a fleet of objects, but no imagery of a fleet was released. The second video was taken a few weeks later.
CreditCreditU.S. Department of Defense


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Joseph Gradisher, a Navy spokesman, said the new guidance was an update of instructions that went out to the fleet in 2015, after the Roosevelt incidents. [Sign up for the weekly At War newsletter to receive stories about the military, conflict and consequence.] “There were a number of different reports,” he said. Some cases could have been commercial drones, he said, but in other cases “we don’t know who’s doing this, we don’t have enough data to track this. So the intent of the message to the fleet is to provide updated guidance on reporting procedures for suspected intrusions into our airspace.”


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Leon Golub, a senior astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, said the possibility of an extraterrestrial cause “is so unlikely that it competes with many other low-probability but more mundane explanations.” He added that “there are so many other possibilities — bugs in the code for the imaging and display systems, atmospheric effects and reflections, neurological overload from multiple inputs during high-speed flight.”

Lieutenant Graves still cannot explain what he saw. In the summer of 2014, he and Lt. Danny Accoin, another Super Hornet pilot, were part of a squadron, the VFA-11 “Red Rippers” out of Naval Air Station Oceana, Va., that was training for a deployment to the Persian Gulf. Lieutenants Graves and Accoin spoke on the record to The Times about the objects. Three other pilots in the squadron also spoke to The Times about the objects but declined to be named.

Lieutenants Graves and Accoin, along with former American intelligence officials, appear in a six-part History Channel series, “Unidentified: Inside America’s U.F.O. Investigation,” to air beginning Friday. The Times conducted separate interviews with key participants.


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The pilots began noticing the objects after their 1980s-era radar was upgraded to a more advanced system. As one fighter jet after another got the new radar, pilots began picking up the objects, but ignoring what they thought were false radar tracks. “People have seen strange stuff in military aircraft for decades,” Lieutenant Graves said. “We’re doing this very complex mission, to go from 30,000 feet, diving down. It would be a pretty big deal to have something up there.”

But he said the objects persisted, showing up at 30,000 feet, 20,000 feet, even sea level. They could accelerate, slow down and then hit hypersonic speeds. Lieutenant Accoin said he interacted twice with the objects. The first time, after picking up the object on his radar, he set his plane to merge with it, flying 1,000 feet below it. He said he should have been able to see it with his helmet camera, but could not, even though his radar told him it was there.

A few days later, Lieutenant Accoin said a training missile on his jet locked on the object and his infrared camera picked it up as well. “I knew I had it, I knew it was not a false hit,” he said. But still, “I could not pick it up visually.” At this point the pilots said they speculated that the objects were part of some classified and extremely advanced drone program.


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But then pilots began seeing the objects. In late 2014, Lieutenant Graves said he was back at base in Virginia Beach when he encountered a squadron mate just back from a mission “with a look of shock on his face.”

He said he was stunned to hear the pilot’s words. “I almost hit one of those things,” the pilot told Lieutenant Graves.

The pilot and his wingman were flying in tandem about 100 feet apart over the Atlantic east of Virginia Beach when something flew between them, right past the cockpit. It looked to the pilot, Lieutenant Graves said, like a sphere encasing a cube.

The incident so spooked the squadron that an aviation flight safety report was filed, Lieutenant Graves said.

The near miss, he and other pilots interviewed said, angered the squadron, and convinced them that the objects were not part of a classified drone program. Government officials would know fighter pilots were training in the area, they reasoned, and would not send drones to get in the way.

“It turned from a potentially classified drone program to a safety issue,” Lieutenant Graves said. “It was going to be a matter of time before someone had a midair” collision.

What was strange, the pilots said, was that the video showed objects accelerating to hypersonic speed, making sudden stops and instantaneous turns — something beyond the physical limits of a human crew.




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Asked what they thought the objects were, the pilots refused to speculate. “We have helicopters that can hover,” Lieutenant Graves said. “We have aircraft that can fly at 30,000 feet and right at the surface.” But “combine all that in one vehicle of some type with no jet engine, no exhaust plume.”

Lieutenant Accoin said only that “we’re here to do a job, with excellence, not make up myths.”

In March 2015 the Roosevelt left the coast of Florida and headed to the Persian Gulf as part of the American-led mission fighting the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. The same pilots who were interacting with the strange objects off the East Coast were soon doing bombing missions over Iraq and Syria. The incidents tapered off after they left the United States, the pilots said.


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Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 5/27/19 at 12:35 pm to
This guy is barking up the right tree
I will have more to say about this in future posts (but will let this sink in for now)


From comments:

George
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Read C.G. Jung's book "Flying Saucers" (1958) if you want to know what is going on. These craft are psychophysical, neither and yet both. It is a term the famous theoretical physicists and Nobel Prize winner Wolfgang Pauli coined when collaborating with C.G. Jung for over a quarter of a century when trying to solve the mystery of how psyche and matter unite. See also "Atom and Archetype" (1999).

The UFO phenomenon is paranormal. It exceeds rational understanding. The irrational way of knowing must be included in our opus if we are to grasp the wholeness these craft from interdimensional realms (from out of a 5th dimension) bring. It is an alien symbolic language they herald.



Ponder the image below to get a sense of the territory we are headed into:





All of this is a massive synchronicity for me (one day I may share those details, but for now we need to get our “collective” shite together)
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Posted on 5/28/19 at 11:01 am to
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28231/multiple-f-a-18-pilots-disclose-recent-ufos-encounters-new-radar-tech-key-in-detection

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Multiple F/A-18 Pilots Disclose Recent UFOs Encounters, New Radar Tech Key In Detection
A major upgrade in fighter jet radar tech seems to have been key in detecting and tracking bizarre objects flying in military training airspace.
BY TYLER ROGOWAYMAY 27, 2019


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In a major breakthrough in what could be the most fascinating story of our time, five U.S. Navy F/A-18 Super Hornet crewmen have recounted a number of incredibly strange encounters with unidentified flying objects off the East Coast of the United States. Two of the pilots went on the record. The surreal craft they encountered had performance that defies known propulsion and aerodynamic capabilities, and are described as looking like something akin to special effects you would have seen in a sci-fi movie circa the late 1980s. The pilots' accounts also point to a major sensor upgrade on their aircraft that made the presence of these craft even detectable at all.


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Before the mid-2000s, Navy tactical fighter aircraft were equipped with mechanically scanned array (MSA) pulse doppler radar systems of varying capabilities and power outputs. So-called 'legacy' F/A-18AC/D Hornets were largely equipped with the AN/APG-73 radar. This was a very capable MSA fire control radar with multiple air-to-air, air-to-ground, and synthetic aperture ground mapping modes. Still, it was developed based on 1980s technology, as the vast majority of the fighter radars in service with U.S. military aircraft were at the time.


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The AN/APG-79, and other AESA radars like it on fighter aircraft, offer a huge leap in capability in virtually every respect. This included a massive improvement in reliability as a steerable radar dish is no longer needed with electronically scanned arrays. Mechanically scanned arrays have to quickly sweep in all directions physically and even under heavy G forces and buffeting, and they have to survive crashing down on a carrier deck after missions over and over. So, migrating to a system with few moving parts was a massive coup in terms of reliability for Navy fighters.


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But then pilots began seeing the objects. In late 2014, Lieutenant Graves said he was back at base in Virginia Beach when he encountered a squadron mate just back from a mission “with a look of shock on his face.” He said he was stunned to hear the pilot’s words. “I almost hit one of those things,” the pilot told Lieutenant Graves. The pilot and his wingman were flying in tandem about 100 feet apart over the Atlantic east of Virginia Beach when something flew between them, right past the cockpit. It looked to the pilot, Lieutenant Graves said, like a sphere encasing a cube.

The last part is somewhat mind-blowing. Basically, he describes a geometric cube with a translucent sphere of some sort around it. Like I said in the opening of this piece, this sounds like some special effects object from season one of Star Trek The Next Generation, not a craft being reported in detail from a highly-trained Navy fighter pilot that flew right by it. Apparently, others appeared to be spinning in mid-air like tops and were captured by the Super Hornet's AN/ASQ-228 ATFLIR targeting pod. The now famous 'gimbal video' was supposedly recorded on one of the Red Rippers' training missions:


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We examined this peculiar move by the Navy and the odd timing of it in great detail in my last article on the subject, and this series of events likely had something to do with it. Regardless, with all this in mind, what can we take away from these new on the record revelations? First off, they are a huge deal. We are talking about two more Navy fighter pilots on the record and another three talking to The New York Times on background. And this was not some account that occurred a decade or more in the past, this was just a couple years ago. Yet what strikes me the most is that once again, this series of encounters occurred in tightly sanitized airspace over the ocean where the military does its most advanced and complex training and testing, just like the Nimitz's Tic Tac incident many years earlier on the west coast. In that case, the gear and personnel involved were also preparing for a major deployment. Yet what the New York Times doesn't seem to firmly drill down on enough is that we are now getting first-hand accounts that describe a major upgrade in radar technology as being a catalyst for actually detecting and tracking these mysterious objects. Much of my last piece was dedicated to the little known fact that back in 2004, the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group was executing very complex and highly integrated training prior to deployment with Cooperative Engagement Capability technology installed on its ships and aircraft. This was the first time this game-changing suite of sensor fusion and data-link technologies was ever integrated into an operational Carrier Strike Group. As a result, multiple accounts definitively state that its unique, 'fused' sensor data was confiscated after the Tic Tac incident culminated in a number of close encounters. Taking the recent information about the radar upgrade on the Super Hornets into account, it adds a new facet of plausibility to the Nimitz/Tic Tac events. The higher fidelity radar telemetry data Cooperative Engagement Capability provided, like the introduction of AESA fire control radars on Navy fighters not long after, may have allowed for the detection and documentation of these objects like never before. Whether that was by design or by chance remains unknown. These two facts—the encounters occurring in secure military airspace off the continental U.S. coastline and the presence of advanced, highly capable radar systems in both series of incidents—is compelling, to say the least. As we stated in our last piece on the subject, these areas and the gear present in them during the encounters would make for very attractive testing conditions for undisclosed aerial capabilities. When it comes to the object's strange appearance, making something as alien looking as possible is probably a good thing for deniability and unconventional camouflage purposes. Even the testing of sensors under real-world conditions against such a craft using various guises could be beneficial.

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Posted on 5/28/19 at 11:02 am to
Continued

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Regardless, this report moves the ball forward in a major way and underscores, once again, the reality that the limits of aerospace engineering and propulsion, at least as we understand them, have been exceeded by someone or something. As I wrote last month:

The main revelation is that technology exists that is capable of performing flying maneuvers that shatter our perceptions of propulsion, flight controls, material science, and even physics.

Let me underline this again for you, the Nimitz encounter with the Tic Tac proved that exotic technology that is widely thought of as the domain of science fiction actually exists. It is real. It isn't the result of altered perception, someone's lucid dream, a stray weather balloon, or swamp gas. Someone or something has crossed the technological Rubicon and has obtained what some would call the Holy Grail of aerospace engineering.

This reality is very hard to process for many. There is always an out for some in the form of claiming an odd impromptu conspiracy or some hollow explanation that doesn't pass muster beyond the first paragraph, but in the end, it happened. As uncomfortable as that fact is, it's reality. So, we need to use this event as a lodestar going forward when it comes to evaluating and contemplating what is possible and where truth actually lies.

We are working this story from multiple and highly unique angles. Stay tuned for some truly exciting developments.
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Posted by wareaglepete
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The UFO phenomenon is paranormal. It exceeds rational understanding. The irrational way of knowing must be included in our opus if we are to grasp the wholeness these craft from interdimensional realms (from out of a 5th dimension) bring. It is an alien symbolic language they herald.


Aliens and paranormal are a big part of the Arthur C. Clarke classic 'Childhood's End'.

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Ponder why the Navy is the lead on this...



Deep ocean bases and Operation solar warden
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Article is from WaPo (I linked below to avoid pw)

https://www.adn.com/opinions/national-opinions/2019/05/28/ufos-exist-and-everyone-needs-to-adjust-to-that-fact/

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UFOs exist and everyone needs to adjust to that fact
Author: Daniel W. Drezner | Opinion clock Updated: 12 hours ago calendar Published 23 hours ago


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Drezner is a professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.

The term “UFO” automatically triggers derision in most quarters of polite society. One of Christopher Buckley’s better satires, “Little Green Men,” is premised on a George F. Will-type pundit thinking that he has been abducted by aliens, with amusing results. UFOs have historically been associated with crackpot ideas like Big Foot or conspiracy theories involving crop circles.

The obvious reason for this is that the term “UFO” is usually assumed to be a synonym for “extraterrestrial life.” If you think about it, this is odd. UFO literally stands for “unidentified flying object.” A UFO is not necessarily an alien from another planet. It is simply a flying object that cannot be explained away through conventional means. Because UFOs are usually brought up only to crack jokes, however, they have been dismissed for decades.

One of the gutsiest working paper presentations I have witnessed was Alexander Wendt and Raymond Duvall presenting a draft version of “Sovereignty and the UFO.” In that paper, eventually published in the journal Political Theory, Wendt and Duvall argued that state sovereignty as we understand it is anthropocentric, or “constituted and organized by reference to human beings alone.” They argued that the real reason UFOs have been dismissed is because of the existential challenge that they pose for a worldview in which human beings are the most technologically advanced life-forms: “UFOs have never been systematically investigated by science or the state, because it is assumed to be known that none are extraterrestrial. Yet in fact this is not known, which makes the UFO taboo puzzling given the ET possibility,” they wrote. “The puzzle is explained by the functional imperatives of anthropocentric sovereignty, which cannot decide a UFO exception to anthropocentrism while preserving the ability to make such a decision. The UFO can be “known” only by not asking what it is.”


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In recent years, however, there has been a subtle shift that poses some interesting questions for their argument. For one thing, discussion of actual UFOs have been the topic of some serious mainstream media coverage. There was the December 2017 New York Times story by Helene Cooper, Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kean about the Defense Department’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, which was tasked with cataloguing UFOs recorded by military pilots. DoD officials confirmed its existence. Though this story generated some justified skepticism, it represented the first time the U.S. government acknowledged the existence of such a program.

Then, there were the reports last November about Oumuamua, “a mysterious, cigar-shaped interstellar object [that] fell through our solar system at an extraordinary speed,” according to New York’s Eric Levits. Oumuamua’s shape and trajectory were unusual enough for some genuine astrophysicists to publish a paper suggesting the possibility that it was an artificial construction relying on a solar sail. Again, this prompted skeptical reactions, but even those skeptics could not completely rule out the possibility that extraterrestrial activity was involved.


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The Times reporters broke new ground by getting pilots on record. What is interesting about this latest news cycle, however, is that DoD officials are not behaving as Wendt and Duvall would predict. Indeed, Politico’s Bryan Bender reported last month that, “The U.S. Navy is drafting new guidelines for pilots and other personnel to report encounters with ‘unidentified aircraft,’ a significant new step in creating a formal process to collect and analyze the unexplained sightings — and destigmatize them.” My Post colleague Deanna Paul followed up by reporting that “Luis Elizondo, a former senior intelligence officer, told The Post that the new Navy guidelines formalized the reporting process, facilitating data-driven analysis while removing the stigma from talking about UFOs, calling it ‘the single greatest decision the Navy has made in decades.’ ” What appears to be happening is that official organs of the state are now acknowledging that UFOs exist, even if they are not literally using the acronym. They are doing so because enough pilots are reporting UFOs and near-air collisions so as to warrant better record-keeping. They are not saying that these UFOs are extraterrestrials, but they are trying to destigmatize the reporting of a UFO. Still, the very fact that this step has been taken somewhat weakens the Wendt and Duvall thesis.

This was always a two-step process: (a) Acknowledge that UFOs exist; and (b) Consider that the UFOs might be ETs.

In recent years, the U.S. national security bureaucracy has met the first criterion. What happens to our understanding of the universe if great powers meet that second one?
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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/navy-pilots-are-seeing-ufos-on-an-almost-daily-basis-report.html

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MAY 27, 2019
Navy Pilots Were Seeing UFOs on an Almost Daily Basis in 2014 and 2015:
Report By Matt Stieb


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The unidentified flying objects look like white Tic Tacs, or spinning tops flying against the wind — and Navy pilots keep reporting their presence over U.S. airspace. In interviews with the New York Times, five more pilots have come forward describing their experiences with UFOs flying off the Eastern seaboard from Virginia to Florida between 2014 and 2015. One ten-year veteran, Lieutenant Ryan Graves, claimed that he saw UFOs almost daily, and that the objects could reach hypersonic speeds and heights of up to 30,000 feet without any visible engine or plumes of infrared exhaust. Graves, who reported his experience to the Pentagon and Congress, said, “These things would be out there all day,” and that, “with the speeds we observed, 12 hours in the air is 11 hours longer than we’d expect.”

The past few years have been something of a quiet golden age for UFO enthusiasts hoping to prove the validity of their interests. First, there was the Pentagon’s 2017 admission of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, a short-lived, $22 million scrap of the Defense budget that would investigate reports of “unexplained aerial phenomena.” Then, in November 2018, scientists from the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics proposed a long-shot hypothesis about the cigar-shaped object Oumuamua, which passed through the solar system in 2017: It was a “solar sail,” gathering energy from the sun to accelerate through our galaxial neighborhood. (The technology isn’t all that complicated; humans have already developed it.)

And in April, the Navy announced it is “updating and formalizing the process” by which pilots report UFO sightings, as a means to destigmatize the sharing of information and treat the reports with a more data-driven approach. Luis Elizondo, a former senior intelligence officer, told the Washington Post that it was “the single greatest decision the Navy has made in decades.”

At this rate, the president’s Space Force might actually have something to do.






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https://www.newsweek.com/tom-delonge-uap-history-unidentified-inside-americas-ufo-investigation-1435613

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TOM DELONGE: AMERICA HAS BEEN INVESTIGATING UFOS FOR YEARS. TIME FOR THE REST OF US TO CATCH UP | OPINION
TOM DELONGE
ON 5/30/19 AT 5:10 AM EDT


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About 25 years ago, I read a non-fiction book about UFOs while on tour with Blink-182 that blew my mind. This was a time before smartphones, so being on a tour bus for weeks on end meant we were forced to keep ourselves occupied if we were bored. I chose to read. Timothy Good’s Above Top Secret detailed a historical chronology of UFO events in conjunction with domestic and foreign space programs and militaries. It wasn't just a solitary event, but a chain of occurrences. I remember repeating as I was reading, “Oh my god, this is massive.” I probably annoyed the hell out of my bandmates.


At first, I was perplexed by this guy
After further reflection that he is the perfect person to pursue this: creative, independently wealthy with lots of free time, yet crude enough to not give a frick

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Before reading that book, I thought the idea of E.T. and unknown flying vehicles were confined to the realm of science-fiction, which I’d always loved as a kid. But I had no idea these crafts were real and in fact interacting with nuclear missiles, NASA missions and facilities, astronauts, and even civilians.


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I followed many paths of discovery in the field—some peculiar, but all exciting. Back then, I was young and naive, and had trouble separating fact from fiction. As any serious researcher will tell you, UAP and its attendant fields are filled with truly crazy misinformation from countless unreliable characters. As a result, I undertook the project of seeking out legitimate sources, and learned that for most of history, people thought it was crazy to even think about the possibility of UAP. Things briefly started to change after 1947, when numerous people, both pedestrian and high-level military and government personnel, started witnessing unidentified objects in the sky; military pilots, U.S. presidents, scientists, doctors, lawyers, farmers, politicians, teachers, and children.


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During World War II, unknown at first to most of the public, UFOs appeared over our battlefields, nuclear weapons facilities, and even the U.S. Capitol. The highest levels of the U.S. government eventually spoke plainly and publicly about “flying saucers.” For 17 years, the U.S. Air Force’s secret government sector Project Blue Book compiled reports of tens of thousands of UFO sightings, roughly 10 percent of which could not be explained by science. After some dismissive conclusions at the dismantling of the project, disbelief returned, and lasted for decades. Once again, UFOs were thought to be a preoccupation of the truly crazy.


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For the past few years, I’ve been in regular communication with people at the highest levels of our intelligence agencies and military branches. It’s unreal company to keep, and has empowered me to become a steward of the information I have and to treat it with respect and humility. The ideas and my new cohorts encouraged me create To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science (TTSA).

I envisioned a model that educates (through exciting entertainment), investigates (through scientific research) and innovates (through aerospace engineering). Our team is made up of some of the most experienced, connected, and passionately curious minds from the U.S. intelligence community that have been operating under the shadows of top-secrecy for decades. The team members all share a common thread of frustration and determination to disrupt the status quo and ultimately, to protect the American people by making them aware of what we need to know about our skies.

This quest to reveal the truth, and desire to share what we know about UAP with the masses propelled us to partner with HISTORY, one of the most unbiased and authentic brands in television, to produce “Unidentified: Inside America’s UFO Investigation TM.” This six part, non-fiction series premiering on Friday, May 31 st will give the public an opportunity to see newly authenticated evidence and footage; learn the common characteristics of how these UAP move and operate; and perhaps, most significantly, see interviews from eyewitnesses and former military personnel who have never spoken out before.


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Ultimately, acknowledging and studying the existence of UAP will help us better understand what else is out there and how we fit in. It impacts not only our perception of who we are as human beings but also our understanding of where we’re going and how we treat each other. And that might be the greatest change of all.

Tom DeLonge is co-founder of To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science and Executive Producer of “Unidentified: Inside America’s UFO Investigation” premiering May 31 at 10pm on HISTORY.


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Here is what Delonge said in an interview in 2016:

Gets interesting/weird:
Warning: PDF below



https://projectavalon.net/Linda_Howe_Earthfiles_report_Tom_Delonge_May_2016.pdf

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UAPs and Alien “Gods” 2016
by Linda Moulton Howe

“We are part of a symbiotic relationship with something which disguises itself as an extra-terrestrial invasion so as not to alarm us.” - Terence McKenna, Author, Food of the Gods

“I was told that there are numerous E. T. ‘gods’ fighting amongst themselves and they are interjecting themselves into human affairs. I am being told that a lot of this is being kept secret because we are trying not to initiate a conflict with ‘an adversary that we poorly understand.’” - Tom DeLonge, co-author, Sekret Machines: Chasing Shadows © March 2016, collaborating with 10 U. S. military and intelligence advisers on E. T. facts


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May 28, 2016 Encinitas, California - The United States entered World War II in December 1941, after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. Our other enemy was Germany’s Adolph Hitler and his Nazi Schutzstaffel, also known as the “S.S.,” a paramilitary protection squad for Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, known as the Nazis. Hitler’s stated goal was to annihilate the Jewish population on Earth and take over the planet with an Aryan race of blond, blue-eyed beings referred to as Nordics.


It is further alleged that a sinister Alien Force was behind Hitler and the Nazis and continued insidious infiltrations after World War II when the United States authorized Project PAPERCLIP to bring hundreds of German rocket scientists into U. S. military and aerospace companies. Once an enemy, those German scientists were embraced inside America to create a United States nuclear weapons program and to get America to the moon in a program called Apollo.

Many insights about that historic schizophrenia have been released in the past six months in two books, allegedly with approval by military and intelligence operatives behind the scenes. One book is firsthand non-fiction; the other is fiction-based-on-fact. Both have the same theme: U. S. military intelligence during and after World War II became conscious of a powerful alien presence that emerged from Earth’s oceans and seas, from inside mountains and from the miles-deep ice of Antarctica.




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Tonight I’ll begin about all this with the recent fiction-based-on-fact book and follow in the second half-hour with an engineer insider’s non-fiction. Two months ago in March 2016, a large 675-page book entitled Sekret Machines: Chasing Shadows was released. The co-authors are Tom DeLonge and A. J. Hartley. The word “Sekret” is spelled with a “k” instead of a “c” echoing the “k” added to the word magic long ago for serious communion with other dimensions. Then there is the U. S. government’s changing the “g” in magic to a “j” for TOP SECRET MAJIC classification on UFO and E. T. -related documents. And Russians and Germans insert “k”s in words like A-m-e-r-i-K-a and politiK.


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41-year-old Tom DeLonge was born and raised in San Diego, California, and became the guitarist and co-lead vocalist for the American rock band Blink-182 in the 1990s. Currently he is guitarist and lead vocalist of the rock band Angels & Airwaves. On the dust jacket of his Sekret Machines, Tom writes about UFO, E.T. and “alien gods” after collaboration with a group of ten advisers from military and intelligence agencies. On the book’s dust jacket Tom wrote: “This first novel in our trilogy sets up important events that had their genesis as far back as World War II and continue into the present day. ... I know it seems unbelievable, but it’s all, and always, a true story. That is what fiction is for: to tell the truth.”

One truth, say his advisers, is that the alien presence is an existential risk — meaning, life is not guaranteed for humans — and an extinction event could be triggered by unfriendly aliens to deliberately wipe out Homo sapiens sapiens. So, now is a crucial time for humanity to learn that we are not alone in this universe and that friendly and unfriendly Others have been interacting with this planet for millions of years — some even dominating humans as “alien gods” of Greece, India, the Yucatan, Peru, Mesopotamia, Atlantis and around the world for eons.


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YOUR ADVISORS USE THE TERM ‘THE OTHERS’? Yes. In my communications with certain people within my advisory group, it is referred to as The Others. The Others makes a lot of sense because the first thing that people need to realize about the UFO phenomenon is that it’s an Intelligence that’s here, has always been here. And I think calling them The Others makes a lot more sense because they are in our oceans, they are on our moon, they might be underground in certain places. So, you’re talking about the Other groups of intelligences that are here on the planet with us. AND YOU HAVE ATTRIBUTED ‘OTHERS’ TO GODS WITH A LITTLE G. CAN YOU PLEASE GO INTO THAT NOW? All the different areas of the world have different stories of gods. And I call that the little ‘g.’ These are beings that have god-like powers that are meddling in human affairs, but they are not what God is. The idea of whatever the Big G God that created the universe — whatever Force of Nature that might be — is different. I was told that there are numerous ‘gods’ fighting amongst themselves and they are interjecting themselves into human affairs — that those myths are true. All those ancient stories, those are real. You look at a lot of the studies that you have done, Linda, and what people have followed over the past 30 to 40 years — some people who have worked in these facilities have all talked about ancient hieroglyphics being on these craft. And they look like ancient Greek. I am told that they are ancient Greek, that there is a major connection to the hardware that we have and the ancient Greek Gods.
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