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Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:18 pm to bamarep
The problem seems to be that all these progs and idiots come out after these things and act like experts. They don't shoot weapons, they just come to make a big fuss. Go take some firearm training and deal with weapons for a while and then we will take you seriously.....until then, STFU.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:20 pm to MrLarson
Really don't have a problem with banning bump stocks. The problem with this is that it breaks the first rule of politics which is you don't ever give an inch to the left on anything period.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:22 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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Really don't have a problem with banning bump stocks. The problem with this is that it breaks the first rule of politics which is you don't ever give an inch to the left on anything period.
I agree
Bump stocks are gimmicky. But once you give in to one thing, others will follow.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:24 pm to upgrayedd
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Legality of what?
NRA knows that the legal wording makes these legal!
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:25 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
The stupid thing about banning bump fire stocks is that you can use a rubber band wrapped around the trigger and do the same thing. So in the future if someone uses that technique liberals will say "well I guess we just need to ban semi autos now."
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:26 pm to bamarep
Makes sense from the NRAs perspective. If a law on the books already exists that can be applied, that is preferable than a new regulation.
It sucks from a gun rights perspective but if it's actually illegal, then it's illegal. And it changes the narrative from "all his guns were actually legal", which is better optics.
It sucks from a gun rights perspective but if it's actually illegal, then it's illegal. And it changes the narrative from "all his guns were actually legal", which is better optics.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:32 pm to bobby_3_sticks
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This is NRA backtracking, not curve balls.
It's absolutely a curve ball. You can bet your sweet arse that NONE of the proggie bastards at the round table that decided this was the platform they'd go after brought up even the remote possibility that the NRA would suggest the Trump Admin look at these.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:39 pm to upgrayedd
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Suppressors are legal
Technically true, but you know what he means. No stamps, $200 tax, trusts, 1-1.5 year waiting period.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:42 pm to Tiguar
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It sucks from a gun rights perspective but if it's actually illegal, then it's illegal.
How are they illegal? The Obama administration's ATF approved them. If that was a mistake and responsible for part of the carnage in this disaster, the public should know about it and Obama's responsibility.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:44 pm to Crawdaddy
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Did the bump stock make this event any worse
Of course it did you moron. It allowed him to shoot more people than he otherwise would have been able to.
And this is, of course, easily provable by the fact that he used them SPECIFICALLY so that he could do so.
What a moron you are.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:47 pm to bamarep
Well i guess that answers my question from yesterday on how the NRA will defend bumpstocks in the context of existing laws on full auto.
Good move on their part.
Good move on their part.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:51 pm to Giant Leaf
quote:The ruling said that it was only a part, and did not qualify as a regulated device. If it is a regulated device, then the victims and their families cannot sue the makers and distributors of the device.
Its very simple and there is no reason to go back over this
It is likely to get banned either way. Changing the ATF ruling may save them from lawsuits.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:54 pm to bobby_3_sticks
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This is NRA backtracking, not curve balls.
Actually it's NRA trolling
Feds will come back and say they comply, NRA looks good because they did the "right thing" in eyes of the left
Posted on 10/5/17 at 3:01 pm to Crawdaddy
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Did the bump stock make this event any worse
It made it much worse. They aren't needed, period.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 5:19 pm to Crawdaddy
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Did the bump stock make this event any worse
Did the red dot scope make it any worse
Did the forgrip make it any worse
Did the bipod make it any worse
Probably. Not that any of those should require anything more than money to buy. Ever.
frick the NRA.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 6:07 pm to mmcgrath
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Did the bump stock make this event any worse It seems like it did. Yes
It’s hard to say. He had some fully auto weapons according to reports. He had tripods or bipods set up. Those aren’t likely to be used with a bump stock (based on my limited understanding). So we don’t really know.
Having said that, I don’t see a problem regulating bump stocks.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 6:14 pm to bamarep
Are they not trivially simple to make anyway?
more meaningless bullshite "doing something" from Washington
more meaningless bullshite "doing something" from Washington
Posted on 10/5/17 at 6:15 pm to jchamil
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Did the bump stock make this event any worse
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I don't see how this one didn't make it worse
Then you've never shot a full auto rifle. There's a reason that most military use of small arms is semiauto.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 6:20 pm to bamarep
I get the "camel's nose under the tent" argument but bump stocks are not a reason to make a stand.
NRA taking preemptive action. The real fight comes when progs find out how easy you can convert a semi AR-15 to full auto without gimmicks like a bump stock. Hell, you can do that to a Ruger 10/22.
That is the real fight. They thought mag capacity was the way to get AR's banned. The conversion possibilities to full auto will hyper them into a frenzy. "Any weapon that can be made into a machine gun should be banned". That is the real legacy of that mf in Vegas.
NRA taking preemptive action. The real fight comes when progs find out how easy you can convert a semi AR-15 to full auto without gimmicks like a bump stock. Hell, you can do that to a Ruger 10/22.
That is the real fight. They thought mag capacity was the way to get AR's banned. The conversion possibilities to full auto will hyper them into a frenzy. "Any weapon that can be made into a machine gun should be banned". That is the real legacy of that mf in Vegas.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 6:25 pm
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