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Nothing is coincidence...why China trade war and Greenland issues are related
Posted on 8/24/19 at 6:26 am
Posted on 8/24/19 at 6:26 am
A lot of what POTUS does or says seems random at first blush. Such was the case this week with the discussion of the US buying Greenland and subsequent ramp up in the China Cold War (it really goes beyond trade). At the intersection of these two events are rare earth elements.
While we have discovered pockets in California and Wyoming, we still import lots of these materials that are used primarily in high tech devices. As you know, California is not exactly a team player in the US now so we need to go elsewhere to discover deposits that we own. Enter Greenland.
In addition to being a strategic asset, there may not be a more mineral rich and low human impact mining spot on the face of the planet. That’s why Trump has started negotiations with Denmark by snubbing their PM and highlighting their precarious financial situation due to declining birth rates. Making the other side (Danish PM) mad is a tried and true negotiating tactic. Emotional people do not negotiate well. He will end up with a better price when all is said and done.
Trump has already won against China economically...it just needs to play out now. Much like Reagan and the Soviets, this is about breaking China and Greenland could be the key.
Greenland, from Mining-Journal.com
While we have discovered pockets in California and Wyoming, we still import lots of these materials that are used primarily in high tech devices. As you know, California is not exactly a team player in the US now so we need to go elsewhere to discover deposits that we own. Enter Greenland.
In addition to being a strategic asset, there may not be a more mineral rich and low human impact mining spot on the face of the planet. That’s why Trump has started negotiations with Denmark by snubbing their PM and highlighting their precarious financial situation due to declining birth rates. Making the other side (Danish PM) mad is a tried and true negotiating tactic. Emotional people do not negotiate well. He will end up with a better price when all is said and done.
Trump has already won against China economically...it just needs to play out now. Much like Reagan and the Soviets, this is about breaking China and Greenland could be the key.
Greenland, from Mining-Journal.com
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Posted on 8/24/19 at 6:38 am to Tesla
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Emotional people do not negotiate well. He will end up with a better price when all is said and done.
Well now that the cat's outta the bag re: their mineral rich environment....price just quadrupled.
Posted on 8/24/19 at 6:46 am to davyjones
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Well now that the cat's outta the bag re: their mineral rich environment....price just quadrupled.
Oh, you can bet, that China, and Russia, are already sending private bids. Let it play out.
I wouldn't be surprised if the virtue signalers, sold it to China, to make a sky screamer point.
Posted on 8/24/19 at 6:55 am to davyjones
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Well now that the cat's outta the bag re: their mineral rich environment....price just quadrupled.
Nothing's out of the bag. This has been known for quite a while. I suspect China and Russia have been plotting all along. However, that threat works both ways...make a deal with us or deal with Russia or China. Pretty easy choice. Countries who deal with the US prosper from it. Those who deal with China or Russia from a position of weakness end up with a boot on their neck.
This post was edited on 8/24/19 at 7:00 am
Posted on 8/24/19 at 6:55 am to Tesla
Interesting that this is coming up now. Read Red Metal by Mark Greaney.
Posted on 8/24/19 at 6:59 am to Tesla
I love how you guys are trying to make sense of the nonsensical. It was an off the cuff remark. We arent buying greenland.
Trump snubbed denmark because his feelings were hurt and his fragile ego couldn't allow for the last word to rest with anyone else.
Trump snubbed denmark because his feelings were hurt and his fragile ego couldn't allow for the last word to rest with anyone else.
Posted on 8/24/19 at 7:03 am to 9th life
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. We arent buying greenland.
This. No country on Earth can afford it, and the Danes have no reason to just give it away.
And to respond to OP, selling Greenland to China or Russia is preposterous. Even more ridiculous than selling it to us. Doing so would be Denmark’s one way ticket out of NATO.
Posted on 8/24/19 at 7:09 am to Tesla
Yes and I read this morning the US is going to open up a consulate in Greenland. As stated there is more up there than meets the eye. I suspect the US is working to serve as a White Knight to protect the strategic interests of Greenland against the coming threats from Russia and China. I don't know why Greenland has become so strategically important but apparently they are. And I suspect this whole Greenland thing is a result of leaks emanating from Trump's inner circle.
Posted on 8/24/19 at 7:12 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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suspect the US is working to serve as a White Knight to protect the strategic interests of Greenland against the coming threats from Russia and China
What an astute observation, considering we have a major air base on the island, and it has been an integral part of our defense systems for 75 years.
Who has been under the impression that Greenland was unavailable for our military use? Because Denmark is a NATO ally, and we already have permission to build/maintain defense infrastructure there.
This post was edited on 8/24/19 at 7:13 am
Posted on 8/24/19 at 7:15 am to Tesla
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Nothing's out of the bag.
Just a little Saturday morning joshing on that, my friend.
Fomenting curiosity and perhaps a little paranoia on the part of our adversaries is an interesting theory actually.
Posted on 8/24/19 at 7:16 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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I don't know why Greenland has become so strategically important but apparently they are.
That just about sums up this sites opinion on the subject. Greenland has been strategic since it was discovered (hence Denmark clinging to it for three centuries despite no actual ability to hold it if challenged)
Greenland has had enormous strategic importance to the US, Canada, and Europe since before World War I.
Stop acting like we just woke up one morning and realized that there is a massive island in the North Atlantic that was just discovered.
Posted on 8/24/19 at 7:19 am to Indefatigable
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Who has been under the impression that Greenland was unavailable for our military use? Because Denmark is a NATO ally, and we already have permission to build/maintain defense infrastructure there.
Well, since it's not just about having a military presence there, your point is inconsequential.
The problem with trying to act like a know-it-all is the undeniable fact that you don't.
Posted on 8/24/19 at 7:20 am to Tesla
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Well, since it's not just about having a military presence there, your point is inconsequential.
I understand that Greenland has immense resources as well. But we are not getting permission to exploit those, and neither is anyone else.
Posted on 8/24/19 at 7:22 am to Indefatigable
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What an astute observation, considering we have a major air base on the island, and it has been an integral part of our defense systems for 75 years.
I know we have a base on the island. But from the layperson standpoint we hardly know it exists. We used to also have a base on Iceland which is no longer active as the cold war ended. But my point is something is happening that is ramping up all this Greenland stuff and the layperson, mostly dumbazzes in this country have no idea. But it is clear Trump didn't bring up this topic because he is a fool. You disagree? The Arctic is increasingly looking like an area of future conflict. So base there or not, it rises on the priority list for the US and it appears Trump is pushing the Danes to be more than the typical complacent Scandanavians they seem to be.
Posted on 8/24/19 at 7:22 am to Indefatigable
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I understand that Greenland has immense resources as well. But we are not getting permission to exploit those, and neither is anyone else.
In the current state, I agree. That is the point of the new discussion though, right?
I do think we have entered Cold War II.
This post was edited on 8/24/19 at 7:23 am
Posted on 8/24/19 at 7:24 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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But it is clear Trump didn't bring up this topic because he is a fool. You disagree?
Strongly. Not because he was a fool though. I think the comment was off the cuff. What was foolish is all the bs doubling down he has done. It makes no sense, we do not have a defensible claim to the island.
Repeatedly berating the Danes for scoffing at selling it to us is just pointless. No reason for it.
If there are super secret goings on, then that type of thing doesn’t need to be litigated on Twitter.
Posted on 8/24/19 at 7:25 am to Indefatigable
Someone will exploit them. It’s when, not if.
Posted on 8/24/19 at 7:27 am to Tesla
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Making the other side (Danish PM) mad is a tried and true negotiating tactic. Emotional people do not negotiate well. He will end up with a better price when all is said and done.
WTF?
Denmark laughed it off as absurd, Trump is the one who threw a fit like a petulant child.
Posted on 8/24/19 at 7:27 am to Tesla
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I do think we have entered Cold War II.
We may be and it seems Trump is alert and on point.
Posted on 8/24/19 at 7:28 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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The Arctic is increasingly looking like an area of future conflict
Now that certainly an interesting idea as well....jumping off point for future Arctic operations. We're a bit behind the 8-ball as to access to those areas in comparison to Russia.
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