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re: No matter how good Trump is, the MFing GOAT President will always be….
Posted on 7/4/25 at 10:41 am to UptownJoeBrown
Posted on 7/4/25 at 10:41 am to UptownJoeBrown
Hey England...
frick you!
frick you!
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Posted on 7/4/25 at 10:48 am to Penrod
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- Washington is first because he set the new nation on a sustainable path.
has to be everyone's #1
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Jefferson even if based solely on the Louisiana Purchase.
cannot really quibble with this either - certainly deserves high honor
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Franklin Roosevelt for guiding us through the Depression and WW2, and for staving off Marxism.
not at all on my list - he stretched out the depression (I was born in its depth) - he set in motion the 'welfare state' idea that is on the verge of snuffing us out as a productive society. Was very much in favor of "Imperial Presidency" - WWII happened on his watch and I am not aware of any initiative of his that would not have been expected of anyone else. But his performance was certainly on the plus side because he didn't make any fatal blunders, and there were opportunities for many.
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Reagan for resurrecting American exceptionalism, winning the Cold War and starting an economic boom
No quibble here either - and he deserves to be high on the list. But he was lax on over-seeing the immigration 'reforms' that allowed the Dems to begin their invasion of our borders by illegal aliens. His close associations with his old Democrat fellows seduced him into trusting the Democrats to act in the 'best interests of the USA' and they took that opportunity to plant the seeds of everything we are trying to fix now. He should have been more aware of the laxity he allowed. Cannot fault him too much, but cannot put him on a pedestal either with that negligence on his watch.
I am a convert wrt to Trump - I hated him during the campaign of '15/'16 - thought he was a jester just trying to gain attention for some new TV program like "So You Want To Be POTUS" - Had to see him in action to become a fan And I have watched him more intensely than I have any other POTUS in my life (first vote in 1960) - but that may be because I have been retired since 2013 and have the time to concentrate on the political scene.
My firm belief is that no other man other than Trump could have rescued us from the threat that the DEMs posed in the post-obama world. Trump withstood the most one-sided attack from a fatal collusion of Media, Entertainment, Internet, Labor Unions, Bureaucracy, and political radicals that has ever been seen. Not one other person in my view could have survived it.
And not only survived, but dragged the nation along with him to heights that could have only been imagined ten short years ago. Coupled with constant attacks by the compromised DOJ and the evil DNC up to and including real assassination attempts, no other person could have survived, let alone led the nation to new heights of prestige, economic revival, cultural safety, and other instances of common sense.
There were many qualified GOPers in 2015 that seemed "more suited for the job" - but when you look back on the record none of them could have survived the attacks he subdued.
That performance alone sets him apart from all other contenders in my mind. Second only to Washington himself.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 10:56 am to ChineseBandit58
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Jefferson even if based solely on the Louisiana Purchase.
cannot really quibble with this either - certainly deserves high honor
If you’re going to judge Jefferson’s presidency, there’s not much positive there outside of the Louisiana Purchase and the Barbary Pirates situation. That and reducing government spending. He ultimately failed in his biggest challenge of maintaining a good relationship with France and Britain as they warred with each other and interfered with our affairs. I’m not sure that any president could have successfully navigated that one. Still, Jefferson would have to be top 5 when you bring in all of his accomplishments before his presidency.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 11:03 am to SirWinston
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Probsbly top 10 but we overrate him bigly.
The hell we do. Top 5. There is no debate.
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I consider DJT top 5 after this past month.
This past month.. when you were sorry you voted for him and calling him a failure?
This post was edited on 7/4/25 at 11:05 am
Posted on 7/4/25 at 11:13 am to ChineseBandit58
I would have to go with Andrew Jackson. There are several parallels to be drawn between him and Trump:
Tariffs: Trump is using them to improve our trade balance, Jackson supported them when they were unpopular in the South and could have caused secession 30 years before it actually happened. He lost his VP Calhoun in the process.
Illegal immigrants/native Americans: this is a questionable parallel unless you think of it as removing a group of people that each president believed was hindering America’s success. Most agree that the Trail of Tears was a huge black mark on Jackson’s presidency.
Fed/Bank of the United States: Trump is obviously at odds with our central bank because of Powell and interest rates. This is yet to play out. Jackson eliminated our central bank because of its bias toward the North and manufacturing over the common people.
Assassination attempts: both men faced multiple assassination attempts and dodged death by seeming acts of God. Trump with a turning of his head in Butler, PA and another complete flub. Jackson had an attempt on him where an assassin approached him as he was leaving a building. At point blank range, he pulled the trigger on his pistol only to have it misfire. He pulled another pistol which also, miraculously, misfired. An elderly Jackson then beat the would be assassin down with his cane.
Tariffs: Trump is using them to improve our trade balance, Jackson supported them when they were unpopular in the South and could have caused secession 30 years before it actually happened. He lost his VP Calhoun in the process.
Illegal immigrants/native Americans: this is a questionable parallel unless you think of it as removing a group of people that each president believed was hindering America’s success. Most agree that the Trail of Tears was a huge black mark on Jackson’s presidency.
Fed/Bank of the United States: Trump is obviously at odds with our central bank because of Powell and interest rates. This is yet to play out. Jackson eliminated our central bank because of its bias toward the North and manufacturing over the common people.
Assassination attempts: both men faced multiple assassination attempts and dodged death by seeming acts of God. Trump with a turning of his head in Butler, PA and another complete flub. Jackson had an attempt on him where an assassin approached him as he was leaving a building. At point blank range, he pulled the trigger on his pistol only to have it misfire. He pulled another pistol which also, miraculously, misfired. An elderly Jackson then beat the would be assassin down with his cane.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 11:34 am to mwrawls
Reagan is the one that allowed Big Pharma to run rampant and without long term financial liability.
Look it up.
Therefor, Reagan can eat a fat one too!
Most of them have been crooks since 1913, all bought and paid for.
Look it up.
Therefor, Reagan can eat a fat one too!
Most of them have been crooks since 1913, all bought and paid for.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 11:36 am to SirWinston
Adams is underrated. He went away voluntarily after losing in 1800. Set the precedent for the peaceful transfer of power every 4-8 years.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 11:36 am to UptownJoeBrown
Gee Dub is no doubt #1
The Donald is easily top 3
James Knox Polk needs some love
The Donald is easily top 3
James Knox Polk needs some love
Posted on 7/4/25 at 11:42 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Adams is underrated. He went away voluntarily after losing in 1800. Set the precedent for the peaceful transfer of power every 4-8 years.
That is important, but most of his accomplishments were also prior to his presidency. He was the original court stuffer in an attempt to keep Federalists from falling completely out of power. That attempt ultimately failed.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 12:14 pm to UptownJoeBrown
Great thread !
Based on what he did to set the tone for the country I agree.
Lincoln is near the top for leadership in a terrible time to be president and saving the country for later greatness.
-Polk and his impact and great for the short duration of his tenure and the lack of acknowledgment he gets.
It is hard to rate Trump until we pass more time down the road. His record from 2016 and performance the first five months this time indicate he is well on his way to surpass any President in last 80 years. We have so many issues that he has stopped the blood loss so to speak. We need to build back and that has started as more jump on the bandwagon of success.
like the list I saw from Bill
Based on what he did to set the tone for the country I agree.
Lincoln is near the top for leadership in a terrible time to be president and saving the country for later greatness.
-Polk and his impact and great for the short duration of his tenure and the lack of acknowledgment he gets.
It is hard to rate Trump until we pass more time down the road. His record from 2016 and performance the first five months this time indicate he is well on his way to surpass any President in last 80 years. We have so many issues that he has stopped the blood loss so to speak. We need to build back and that has started as more jump on the bandwagon of success.
like the list I saw from Bill
Posted on 7/4/25 at 12:18 pm to UptownJoeBrown
I love the smirk on Washingtons face the artist captured
Posted on 7/4/25 at 12:25 pm to ChineseBandit58
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Trumps stands in the shadow of nobody other than Washington
You must be joking. The president who's kicking 11.8 million Americans off healthcare, and adding 4 trillion in increased budget deficit, with one signature? Heaven help us all!
Posted on 7/4/25 at 12:44 pm to ChineseBandit58
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he set in motion the 'welfare state' idea that is on the verge of snuffing us out as a productive society.
This is true, but the pressure from Marxism back then was tremendous. It's debatable if FDR had not made these concessions if worse would have happened.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 12:50 pm to UptownJoeBrown
George Washington’s teeth were made from wood. That’s pretty crazy….like, “oops, my tooth just fell out, but don’t sweat it, I’ll go find a block of wood and go carve a new one.”
Posted on 7/4/25 at 1:00 pm to tarzana
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You must be joking. The president who's kicking 11.8 million Americans off healthcare, and adding 4 trillion in increased budget deficit, with one signature? Heaven help us all!
I'm sorry - you must have mistaken me for someone who gives a shite about what some brainless lowlife cultist out of sync with the factual universe might blather out.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 1:02 pm to Penrod
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but the pressure from Marxism back then was tremendous. It's debatable if FDR had not made these concessions if worse would have happened.
I dunno - I am not willing to forgive him of his actions on trying to stuff the SCOTUS and setting in motion the welfare state.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 1:08 pm to High C
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top 5 when you bring in all of his accomplishments before his presidency.
This is primarily the reason for my high regard for him - as well as Adams, et al. I think Washington set the pattern for greatness in the office - but there were many others who contributed mightily in establishing the liberty and freedom enshrined in our constitution.
IF it is reduced to actions while in office - then I agree, Jefferson was not amongst the very top.
But the greatness of a lot of presidential actions depends on external factors that are beyond the control of the particular POTUS - it is how he reacts to them that matter. If nothing of great import happens, then it is difficult to place them in the same group of those who DID meet those unanticipated challenges and kept our national honor prideful.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 1:10 pm to ChineseBandit58
Mate we used to argue over DJT in 2015 but youve come a long way 
Posted on 7/4/25 at 1:12 pm to High C
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I would have to go with Andrew Jackson
Cannot argue against him - he is among my favorites also. But I have not studied his presidency other than the commonly known information about his feuds with the courts and banking systems. The political nitty-gritty of both those institutions are way beyond my ken, so I leave him out of my list for greatness.
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