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theunknownknight
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Nick Cruz - who waved his background checks and allowed him the guns?
For starters, It’s been proven he committed a felony after the age of 18 - by calling the police directly and threatening to kill people.

It’s also a fact the police were sent to his home on multiple occasions after the age of 18 AND that he was receiving mental health services which he declined before the shooting.

ALL this would have put him in the system as an adult - never mind the 40-45 police home call outs prior.

For those that don’t know - every gun being sold has to be registered and called in before hand. Once a background check is submitted and fails, that gun CANNOT be registered to the buyer until the check clears.

I’ve seen first hand, the most MUNDANE legal issues block my friends and family from getting guns after their checks - for weeks.

So that begs the question - how did the check on Cruz clear?

There are only 2 legitimate options:

1. Either the crooked sheriff kept all these issues off his record intentionally which further asks WHY?

Or

2. Someone higher cleared it. This is the freakier part as his mental health was an issue. So, who has the power to clear that? And WHY?

Couple that with the stand down orders of the deputies on campus during the shooting, their comms “going down” and them not wearing body cameras that day, the blatant disregard for all protocol leading up to the shooting, the prepared narrative with the media using stock footage from the drill that morning, the celebrity students’ ties to the high levels of the DNC and the media, the Sheriff’s ties to Clinton, Obama, Soros, the FBI not being able to track Cruz threatening to shoot up a school under is own name through google, and a prominent member of the FBI having a son in “the next room” all while JUST performing a HUGE shooting drill with emergency responders all over campus...

It just looks like Muholland Drive type scenario.

But, to me, it all comes down to who cleared the purchases? Which I think is the point. That’s what the liberals ultimately want the debate to center around - purchases.


CptRusty
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re: Nick Cruz - who waved his background checks and allowed him the guns?
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For those that don’t know - every gun being sold has to be registered and called in before hand. Once a background check is submitted and fails, that gun CANNOT be registered to the buyer until the check clears.



Are you citing florida law here? Guns are not "registerd" during a background check, in fact I don't think they even send any information about the firearm other than "long gun" or "hand gun" to the NICS...might be wrong, but I don't think so.

Regardless, the system obviously has very serious faults going in both directions, ie false positives and false negatives. You said yourself that you know people personally who have been held up or denied over stuff that probably shouldn't have been an issue. The same logic applies that people who shouldn't be cleared sometimes get cleared. It doesn't mean there's a conspiracy.



dgtiger3
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re: Nick Cruz - who waved his background checks and allowed him the guns?
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Either the crooked sheriff kept all these issues off his record intentionally which further asks WHY? 


They had a program to keep all students crime under wraps (disciplined through schools not law enforcement) in order to receive more federal grant money. It all ties in to this.


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kingbob
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re: Nick Cruz - who waved his background checks and allowed him the guns?
Because the police never charged or arrested him for anything, none of that showed up in a background check.


DreauxB2015
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re: Nick Cruz - who waved his background checks and allowed him the guns?
He was a patsy baw . He was the pre- selected shooter in the active shooter drill that went live . The perfect one too . Why do you think he was allowed to go unchecked prior with all the problems he had . It was for this event . He took an UBER car to school . Was he dressed in riot gear in the car ? Did he dress up in it from the car to school? What a crock! Teacher witness says shooter was wearing mask , helmet , and bullet proof vest . How did he get in school with all that gear on and no one notice or find it strange ? Where did that go ? Did he put that in the McDonalds trash can ? Where did his riot gear go ? So , he shot up the school . Got out of his riot gear , blended in with the crowd , and then went to have a happy meal ? Yea sure he did . People need to start asking the right questions here .
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SoulGlo
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re: Nick Cruz - who waved his background checks and allowed him the guns?
It'snot that he was "cleared." His record was clean due to the Promise Program.

All the shite that should have stopped him from getting a gun was never put on his record.


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roadGator
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re: Nick Cruz - who waved his background checks and allowed him the guns?
Yankee POS Israel needs to be tried for murder along with Rex.


Wildcat In Germany
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re: Nick Cruz - who waved his background checks and allowed him the guns?
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Because the police never charged or arrested him for anything, none of that showed up in a background check.



This. If he was never charged or arrested, it wouldn't show up in a background check. Just having police called on you doesn't give you a record.


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Shepherd88
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re: Nick Cruz - who waved his background checks and allowed him the guns?
As CptRusty said, there is no “gun registry” that would be an infringement.

Second, the issue here with the background check system is the HIPPA laws. Our current gun laws can’t be enforced bc HIPPA is blocking “mental health” issues from being cited in background checks. I’m a gun toting republican and I’m against any form of gun control, but this might be someway to appease both sides by enforcing what’s already on the books.


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theunknownknight
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re: Nick Cruz - who waved his background checks and allowed him the guns?
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Guns are not "registerd" during a background check


That’s not what I am saying. I am saying that once a call goes out and it’s declined - that person can’t have a gun registered to them until that is cleared.

So if the gun owner sells the gun and registers it AFTER the failed clearance, he’s going to jail.

The gun shop has an ID number they use to process each clearance check and each gun register. It’s all tracked.
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lsufan1971
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re: Nick Cruz - who waved his background checks and allowed him the guns?
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For those that don’t know - every gun being sold has to be registered and called in before hand. Once a background check is submitted and fails, that gun CANNOT be registered to the buyer until the check clears.


Your gun isn't "registered" when you do a NICS check. You fill out a form 4473 at the dealer. They call in your info and say handgun or long gun. After it is approved the dealer will put the make model and serial# on the form 4473 and file it.

Under the law NICS is only supposed to keep your info for 72 hrs unless its a deny. Again it's the law and I wouldn't be surprised if they kept it longer.

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I’ve seen first hand, the most MUNDANE legal issues block my friends and family from getting guns after their checks - for weeks.


There are three types of responses from NICS when it is called in OK, deny or Hold. Under the law NICS has 3 business days to research the hold and get back with the dealer. If they don't the dealer can release the gun to the individual. Some stores like academy will not release a gun after the 3 day hold unless they get a clear from NICS. So your family members should stop buying guns from stores that won't follow the law.

People with TWIC cards usually get put on hold for some stupid reason. There is a process to ge a UPIN# that will keep this from happening.


lsufan1971
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re: Nick Cruz - who waved his background checks and allowed him the guns?
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So if the gun owner sells the gun and registers it AFTER the failed clearance, he’s going to jail.


You should quit using the word registered. Unless you live in a commie state like CA guns aren't registered unless it's an NFA item like a machine gun, SBR, or suppressor.


theunknownknight
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re: Nick Cruz - who waved his background checks and allowed him the guns?
Read my above post - you’re misreading what I am saying.


lsufan1971
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re: Nick Cruz - who waved his background checks and allowed him the guns?
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Read my above post - you’re misreading what I am saying.


I think you misunderstand the meaning of the word "registered".


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theunknownknight
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re: Nick Cruz - who waved his background checks and allowed him the guns?
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registered


Registered = tracked.

And hell yeah every gun purchase has the serial number tied to the purchaser (even down to the rifling of the barrel).


lsufan1971
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re: Nick Cruz - who waved his background checks and allowed him the guns?
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Registered = tracked


LOL but there aren't. When a gun is used in a commission of a crime how does LEO find out who bought it?


theunknownknight
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re: Nick Cruz - who waved his background checks and allowed him the guns?
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Because the police never charged or arrested him for anything, none of that showed up in a background check.


Call the sheriffs department and threaten to shoot up a school.

Post here and tell us how you weren’t charged with a felony and we’ll all ask in unison:

WHY?!

Your post is proving my point. Why wasn’t he charged AFTER all those house calls?


theunknownknight
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re: Nick Cruz - who waved his background checks and allowed him the guns?
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LOL but there aren't. When a gun is used in a commission of a crime how does LEO find out who bought it?


Are you trolling right now?


Ace Midnight
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re: Nick Cruz - who waved his background checks and allowed him the guns?
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1. Either the crooked sheriff kept all these issues off his record intentionally which further asks WHY?


They wanted to avoid this "school-to-prison" pipeline. If his name had been McCluskey or Svenson, his arse would have definitely been in the slammer (or, at worst, he would have been charged and likely pled to something, putting him officially on the radar). His name was "Cruz" - so draw whatever inference you want about why he wasn't investigated, charged and prosecuted until it was too late.

Liberal/progressive "feel good" policies often have devastating consequences - for everyone involved.


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kingbob
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re: Nick Cruz - who waved his background checks and allowed him the guns?
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Your post is proving my point. Why wasn’t he charged AFTER all those house calls?


Obama’s DOJ and DOE offered grant money as incentives to districts that reduced the number of students arrested. Rather than find ways to prevent crime and nurture students so they wouldn’t become criminals, most places simply stopped arresting them. Broward County’s arrests of students dropped by 60% in two years as a result. Cruz was one such example of a kid they avoided arresting tk make their stats look better.


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