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New tax proposal, do the number for yourself WRT your situation
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:33 pm
There has been a lot of discussion about this but until you do the numbers for yourself don't let anyone tell you if it is good or bad for you.
I am NOT a tax attorney or CPA so if anyone sees errors point them out and help make this work for people, no need to call me or anyone else and idiot while doing it.
I will use 1040 long form line numbers but you can find the number on the shorter form by looking for the "word".
1. Get your 2016 taxes and get your AGI (adjusted gross income) line 37/38. This may change if they change the 23-35 exemptions like student loan interest so you can plug that in if you like.
Once you have your AGI go to step 2 if you take the standard deduction or on to step 3 if you itemize
2. Get the standard deduction line 40 and add the personal exemptions line 42 from your 2016 1040, if this is less than the proposed 12k/24k single/married std deduction then your Taxable Income will be higher under the new plan. But in any case subtract 12k if single or 24k if married from your AGI to get Taxable income and go to step 4
3. If you itemize you will need to determine if the new proposal reduces your deductions. If you have a mortgage of less than 500k and property taxes less than 10K and no state income tax deduction your itemized deductions will stay the same just subtract them (line 40) from your AGI and go to step 4. If you have any or all of those situations you will need to estimate the new deductions by subtracting the percentage of your mortgage deduction over 500k (ie if it is a 1m loan subtract half) ETA if you have a current jumbo it doesn't change the deduction it is only for NEW mortgages), then subtract any property tax over 10K and any state income tax paid. This would now be your new itemized deduction if it is more than the proposed 12/24 std deduction subtract the new itemized deduction to get your new taxable income if it is less than the 12/24 std deduction subtract 12k if single and 24k if married to get your TI (you will now not itemize)
4 Once you have your new taxable income it is time to compare that to the 2016 taxes directly.
Get your tax from line 44 of the 2016 1040
Now for a little more math.
This is to determine your new tax to compare with 2016 line 44 above.
If you are marrried:
If you make up to 90k multiple your Taxable Income (TI) by .12 = tax
If you make more than 90k up to 260k subtract 90k from your TI and multiply that by .25 and ADD 10800 = tax
If you make more than 260k up to 1m subtract 260k from your TI and multiply by .35 AND add 53300 = tax
Single
If you make up to 45k multiple your Taxable Income (TI) by .12 = tax
If you make more than 45k up to 200k subtract 45k from your TI and multiply that by .25 and ADD 5400 = tax
If you make more than 200k up to 500k subtract 200k from your TI and multiply by .35 AND add 44150 = tax
Now you have your proposed tax and your 2016 tax so it should give you a decent clue.
Again I did all the math for the new brackets since I didn't find them done, I think I am right but not going to check again so proofing is appreciated.
I am NOT a tax attorney or CPA so if anyone sees errors point them out and help make this work for people, no need to call me or anyone else and idiot while doing it.
I will use 1040 long form line numbers but you can find the number on the shorter form by looking for the "word".
1. Get your 2016 taxes and get your AGI (adjusted gross income) line 37/38. This may change if they change the 23-35 exemptions like student loan interest so you can plug that in if you like.
Once you have your AGI go to step 2 if you take the standard deduction or on to step 3 if you itemize
2. Get the standard deduction line 40 and add the personal exemptions line 42 from your 2016 1040, if this is less than the proposed 12k/24k single/married std deduction then your Taxable Income will be higher under the new plan. But in any case subtract 12k if single or 24k if married from your AGI to get Taxable income and go to step 4
3. If you itemize you will need to determine if the new proposal reduces your deductions. If you have a mortgage of less than 500k and property taxes less than 10K and no state income tax deduction your itemized deductions will stay the same just subtract them (line 40) from your AGI and go to step 4. If you have any or all of those situations you will need to estimate the new deductions by subtracting the percentage of your mortgage deduction over 500k (ie if it is a 1m loan subtract half) ETA if you have a current jumbo it doesn't change the deduction it is only for NEW mortgages), then subtract any property tax over 10K and any state income tax paid. This would now be your new itemized deduction if it is more than the proposed 12/24 std deduction subtract the new itemized deduction to get your new taxable income if it is less than the 12/24 std deduction subtract 12k if single and 24k if married to get your TI (you will now not itemize)
4 Once you have your new taxable income it is time to compare that to the 2016 taxes directly.
Get your tax from line 44 of the 2016 1040
Now for a little more math.
This is to determine your new tax to compare with 2016 line 44 above.
If you are marrried:
If you make up to 90k multiple your Taxable Income (TI) by .12 = tax
If you make more than 90k up to 260k subtract 90k from your TI and multiply that by .25 and ADD 10800 = tax
If you make more than 260k up to 1m subtract 260k from your TI and multiply by .35 AND add 53300 = tax
Single
If you make up to 45k multiple your Taxable Income (TI) by .12 = tax
If you make more than 45k up to 200k subtract 45k from your TI and multiply that by .25 and ADD 5400 = tax
If you make more than 200k up to 500k subtract 200k from your TI and multiply by .35 AND add 44150 = tax
Now you have your proposed tax and your 2016 tax so it should give you a decent clue.
Again I did all the math for the new brackets since I didn't find them done, I think I am right but not going to check again so proofing is appreciated.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:35 pm to Obtuse1
Don't be so obtuse.
No really, I'm not reading all of that.
No really, I'm not reading all of that.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:43 pm to Costanza
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No really, I'm not reading all of that.
That is 100% fair, but if you don't run the numbers then you have to be lead by someone else.
There were people in the threads trying to understand how it affected them but didn't understand the numbers maybe this will help them, maybe not.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:48 pm to Obtuse1
No need to share/compare/brag incomes, but it represents about a 6% reduction to my wife and I. Possibly more, possibly less once we factor in business gain/loss, foreign taxes from investments and other allowable deductions.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:49 pm to Obtuse1
I haven't done all the deductions, etc since I itemize but I just calculated the tax burden based on the new brackets. At my income level I would pay about about 3.5% less income with the new proposal. However that may be easily offset with elimination of some of the other deductions.
This may all be moot though if we as an LLC or S-Corp are able to pass through some income through the business. I saw some numbers showing so called "pass through income" tax rate will be reduced from 39.6% to 25% but I will have to see the actual numbers from my accountant. If true this could save me closer to 10% on my taxes.
This may all be moot though if we as an LLC or S-Corp are able to pass through some income through the business. I saw some numbers showing so called "pass through income" tax rate will be reduced from 39.6% to 25% but I will have to see the actual numbers from my accountant. If true this could save me closer to 10% on my taxes.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:52 pm to HubbaBubba
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but it represents about a 6% reduction to my wife and I.
Due to the SALT issues I look to be up about 8k.
Just realized an error I need to fix!
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:54 pm to Obtuse1
quote:
If you have a mortgage of less than 500k and property taxes less than 10K and no state income tax deduction your itemized deductions will stay the same just subtract them (line 40) from your AGI and go to step 4. If you have any or all of those situations you will need to estimate the new deductions by subtracting the percentage of your mortgage deduction over 500k (ie if it is a 1m loan subtract half), then subtract any property tax over 10K and any state income tax paid.
What I'm reading is if you already have the home loan over 500k you can get the grandfathered deduction up to 1 million.
If you buy a house and the loan is over 500k in the future it will be capped at 500k.
So if you already bought the home no change here, just have to do the property taxes part.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:55 pm to pleading the fifth
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This may all be moot though if we as an LLC or S-Corp are able to pass through some income through the business. I saw some numbers showing so called "pass through income" tax rate will be reduced from 39.6% to 25% but I will have to see the actual numbers from my accountant. If true this could save me closer to 10% on my taxes.
If they change the pass through laws then you (apparently) I and a host of others are going to be in the streets. But that isn't going to happen.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:56 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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What I'm reading is if you already have the home loan over 500k you can get the grandfathered deduction up to 1 million.
That was the error I alluded to earlier I had to fix.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:57 pm to Obtuse1
quote:
That was the error I alluded to earlier I had to fix.
Ah looks like I was typing when you made that change
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:07 pm to Obtuse1
What is the current cap on pass through income? I am not financially savvy so I have no idea.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:24 pm to Obtuse1
Calculated my taxes using the current and proposed methods. Difference would be negligible. Less than $100 difference either way.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:28 pm to Jim Rockford
It appears I am going to see a 9.5% increase in my tax bill. This sucks.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:31 pm to Obtuse1
My tax savings will be outweighed by the loss in revenue. About 30% of my revenue is from individual tax preparation. I suspect I will lose about 10% of that due to simplification. Then again, this plan will be so chopped up and diluted by the time it passes (if it passes) no one will understand the new laws.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:33 pm to pleading the fifth
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What is the current cap on pass through income? I am not financially savvy so I have no idea.
Pass through is actually a good thing as is, it means in an LLC, for example, ALL business income is not taxed on the coporate level and passes through to the owners and taxed at the individual level at individual rates. The only "boon" would be if the individual owner somehow was able to be taxed at the corporate rate (now with the new lower rates) but this will not happen. Pass through will continue as is.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:40 pm to Obtuse1
I'll just check HR Block software when it's released and compare to last year. No one is going to do all that crap when:
1. The changes haven't even been signed into law yet.
2. The changes won't go into effect for at least 1 year.
1. The changes haven't even been signed into law yet.
2. The changes won't go into effect for at least 1 year.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 4:41 pm to seawolf06
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I'll just check HR Block software when it's released and compare to last year. No one is going to do all that crap when:
1. The changes haven't even been signed into law yet.
2. The changes won't go into effect for at least 1 year.
So you are suggesting that people should wait until the law is already passed to decide if it is good or bad for them? That seems odd for someone on a politics forum.
It really only takes about 10 minutes if you have a remote understanding of taxes to get a rough idea, maybe 20 if you need to work it all through.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 4:51 pm to Obtuse1
This is incorrect. Pass through formerly passed through to a personal income tax rate, which could have been as high as 39.6%. It now passes through to no more than 25%, so long as you aren't a professional as defined by the IRS, and meet the new proposed 70/30 test.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 5:12 pm to Iowa Golfer
quote:
This is incorrect. Pass through formerly passed through to a personal income tax rate, which could have been as high as 39.6%. It now passes through to no more than 25%, so long as you aren't a professional as defined by the IRS, and meet the new proposed 70/30 test.
You are correct, I glossed over that in my reading since it does not affect me as a professional.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 5:15 pm to Obtuse1
So then, right now is the time to purchase or refinance on any mortgage exceeding $500k up to $1Million?
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