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Natural Immunity (Hello Mother Nature)
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:16 pm
LINK (ZeroHedge)
Former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, who is a Pfizer board member, noted that “natural immunity” gained from a prior COVID-19 infection needs to be included in discussions about policies and mandates.
“The balance of the evidence demonstrates that natural immunity confers a durable protection,” Gottlieb said during a Monday morning TV interview, referring to a landmark new preprint Israeli study that found prior COVID-19 infection confers much more protection against the virus than any vaccine.
“It’s fair to conclude that,” he said.
Former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, who is a Pfizer board member, noted that “natural immunity” gained from a prior COVID-19 infection needs to be included in discussions about policies and mandates.
“The balance of the evidence demonstrates that natural immunity confers a durable protection,” Gottlieb said during a Monday morning TV interview, referring to a landmark new preprint Israeli study that found prior COVID-19 infection confers much more protection against the virus than any vaccine.
“It’s fair to conclude that,” he said.
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Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:18 pm to G&P
I still can’t believe this movement against natural immunity. It makes no sense
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:21 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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still can’t believe this movement against natural immunity. It makes no sense
It’s like the entire medical profession has tunnel vision to vaccines and nothing else. It baffles me.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:28 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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I still can’t believe this movement against natural immunity. It makes no sense
Someone at work posted on an internal message board, "natural immunity doesn't exist." You can't get more stupid than that. The science of vaccinations is based entirely on natural immunity. People are stupid.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:45 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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I still can’t believe this movement against natural immunity. It makes no sense
It makes perfect sense when you remember what this whole shitshow is about.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:59 pm to G&P
Feeling better about my natural immunity every day.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 11:02 pm to Landmass
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Someone at work posted on an internal message board, "natural immunity doesn't exist."
Yikes. Your company needs an overhaul.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 11:19 pm to xxTIMMYxx
quote:It's almost as if there is some sort of agenda to push vaccines even in cases where they aren't necessary.
I still can’t believe this movement against natural immunity. It makes no sense
Posted on 8/30/21 at 11:50 pm to G&P
You all need to realize that one key thing is that immunity from infection or a positive test varies wildly.
People that are asymptomatic and test positive tend to have significantly lower antibodies if any at all. Now, if you stated that someone that had a previous infection and confirmed adequate levels of antibodies via blood test, then that is extremely reasonable to count in place of a vaccine record.
That is the fundamental problem. On the one hand, many are complaining about HIPPA violations when they aren't even being committed, yet turn around and want companies to be aware they had the virus before because of convenience.
In the end, Gottlieb is partly right in that previous infection with the virus should count for something following confirmation of antibodies, and thus not require a vaccine for some things.
Just realize that antibodies against Corona viruses for most people are extremely short-lived in comparison to most other diseases on top of not even producing antibodies in some cases.
People that are asymptomatic and test positive tend to have significantly lower antibodies if any at all. Now, if you stated that someone that had a previous infection and confirmed adequate levels of antibodies via blood test, then that is extremely reasonable to count in place of a vaccine record.
That is the fundamental problem. On the one hand, many are complaining about HIPPA violations when they aren't even being committed, yet turn around and want companies to be aware they had the virus before because of convenience.
In the end, Gottlieb is partly right in that previous infection with the virus should count for something following confirmation of antibodies, and thus not require a vaccine for some things.
Just realize that antibodies against Corona viruses for most people are extremely short-lived in comparison to most other diseases on top of not even producing antibodies in some cases.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 12:00 am to xxTIMMYxx
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I still can’t believe this movement against natural immunity. It makes no sense
Even doctors like our very own Cosmo ignore that it's a thing. I've lost a lot of respect for him with the way he's been jerking off to the vaccines.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 12:02 am to Geauxgurt
You do realize you don’t need antibodies in order to fend off covid. You do realize that natural immunity has been accepted and the basis of vaccination for over 100 years. This is all science.
Only a fool or a person with a significant monetary or control interest would state otherwise. You even have a guy who has a monetary interest against this accepted and known medical science stating it. You know why? I’ll let you ponder that question while you go back to med school.
Only a fool or a person with a significant monetary or control interest would state otherwise. You even have a guy who has a monetary interest against this accepted and known medical science stating it. You know why? I’ll let you ponder that question while you go back to med school.
This post was edited on 8/31/21 at 12:03 am
Posted on 8/31/21 at 12:17 am to Geauxgurt
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Just realize that antibodies against Corona viruses for most people are extremely short-lived in comparison to most other diseases on top of not even producing antibodies in some cases.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 12:32 am to G&P
Any MDs that can justify or deny my opinion on this, but did we set ourselves up for more deadly strands of CoVId with lockdowns? My thinking is we could have built up natural immunity with weaker variants and no be as vulnerable to the mutated variants as they got stronger.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 12:37 am to Geauxgurt
11 months and going still
Posted on 8/31/21 at 12:44 am to hottub
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My thinking is we could have built up natural immunity with weaker variants and no be as vulnerable to the mutated variants as they got stronger.
The variants being "stronger" is a complete lie. Delta is more contagious but it's not as deadly or harmful as the original variant. They're just pushing fear porn. That's why all the talk is about cases now instead of deaths.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 12:45 am to xxTIMMYxx
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I still can’t believe this movement against natural immunity. It makes no sense
It makes sense when you follow the money. Big Pharma gets $12-15 per jab. Vaccine costs maybe $6/jab. Big Pharma is giving $6-9 per jab to CEO's/media/politicians/health care "spokespeople" to extend this "crisis".
When "vaccines" prove "uneffective" for the "destroyer of worlds" covid variants, Big Pharma gets a 4mo jab subsciption in perpetuity.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 1:04 am to G&P
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Former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, who is a Pfizer board member, noted that “natural immunity” gained from a prior COVID-19 infection needs to be included in discussions about policies and mandates.
Agree 100%. No one is factoring in natural immunity when requiring vaccine ID's. I contracted covid in April 2020 and survived. I know I have natural immunity and do not intend to get the jab. There are some work-related business events that require proof of vaccination in order to attend. I asked my doctor for help. She issued me a doctor's note showing when I was infected and when I recovered. She doesn't think it will be accepted in place of a vaccine card but it's better than nothing. I haven't had a chance to try it out yet. I hope it works.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 1:28 am to Geauxgurt
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You all need to realize that one key thing is that immunity from infection or a positive test varies wildly.
The only way to interpret this is acknowledge PCR tests for Covid are indeed flawed and there will be false positives. Infection and recovery leads to natural immunity.
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On the one hand, many are complaining about HIPPA violations when they aren't even being committed, yet turn around and want companies to be aware they had the virus before because of convenience.
If someone is about to be fired for vaccine refusal, offering information on previous infection giving stronger protection is a logical response.
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Just realize that antibodies against Corona viruses for most people are extremely short-lived in comparison to most other diseases on top of not even producing antibodies in some cases.
The statement which proves this person is a short bus candidate unless just like the first sentence admittance of flaws in PCR testing with Coronavirus are a factor but that is not being argued here. Everyone who gets the virus develops antibodies, whether the immunity is lifelong or not isn't known but it is currently longer than the vaccines themselves.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 2:28 am to xxTIMMYxx
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I still can’t believe this movement against natural immunity. It makes no sense
Can’t make money off natural immunity. Can’t control a part of people’s lives with natural immunity.
Now does it make sense?
Posted on 8/31/21 at 4:15 am to Geauxgurt
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Just realize that antibodies against Corona viruses for most people are extremely short-lived
You should be embarrassed.
Immunity isn't conferred solely by the antibodies. It first must be triggered by the memory B cells in your marrow, and activates the T cells. You might not have any antibodies in your blood until you are exposed, again. Then the process ramps up to fight the infection.
Oh and as far as your corona short-lived statement ...
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Vanderbilt University conducted a study from people who were 2 to 12 years old during the Spanish flu and could recall sick family members in their households. This suggested to researchers that these people were directly exposed to the virus.
The study found that 100% of the subjects had serum-neutralizing activity against the 1918 virus and 94% showed serologic reactivity to the 1918 hemagglutinin.
90 years later.
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