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Moral objections against vigilantism?

Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:08 am
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:08 am
It's become painfully clear in 2022 that Politicians, Judges, Lawyers, and Police persons of certain Political persuasions have zero interest in doing their jobs.

In fact, Democrats have (once again) decided that criminals and their families/advocates are more important than honest, law-abiding citizens.

Legal arguments aside (as a pure hypothetical of course considering most of us have lost our guns in boating accidents), do most of you have a moral revulsion to vigilantism?

To what degree?

Do you shed a tear when you see a repeat offender receiving instant karma while in the commission of a crime?
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27029 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:10 am to
Nope, I do not shed a tear but if they are committing a crime and meet their end, is that vigilantism or self defense?
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:13 am to
Depends on the situation which is why i made sure to say " legal arguments aside".
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
20373 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:16 am to
The Kersey Crime Prevention Method reduced crime by 50%.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27029 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:17 am to
Not really a legal argument.

Self defense is never vigilantism.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:19 am to
Constitution
Due process of law

Without them, we would be no better than animals. End of story
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:27 am to
quote:

Self defense is never vigilantism.


There are too many scumbag Lawyers/Judges/Prosecutors who would unfortunately argue otherwise.

I believe that virtuous people in our Legal system is now the exception, not the rule.
Posted by HabaneroBuck
Up a ways.
Member since Oct 2020
1359 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:35 am to
quote:

Constitution
Due process of law

Without them, we would be no better than animals. End of story


Not the end of the story. Everyone loves Robocop, Dirty Harry, and Paul Kersey for a reason.

Without Justice we are no better than animals. I have no moral qualms with righteous kills, but obviously vigilantism lends itself to being in the wrong on occasion.

The System is poking and prodding everyone with a sense of righteousness into a pit of despair. We are warned about gun violence daily but see the perpetrators of said violence released back into the streets via a revolving door mechanism. There is a breaking point.
Posted by HabaneroBuck
Up a ways.
Member since Oct 2020
1359 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:36 am to
quote:

Self defense is never vigilantism.


Technically, vigilantism is not self-defense. It is more an act of hunting down guilty perpetrators. "Taking the law into your own hands."
Posted by YumYum Sauce
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
8297 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:45 am to
quote:

Constitution
Due process of law

Without them, we would be no better than animals.


We have foreign billionaires pumping money into local elections for DA's, PAs, mayors, etc.

Im not sure we are but a step or two higher than said animals.
Posted by JColtF
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Aug 2008
4749 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:48 am to
quote:

Constitution
Due process of law

Without them, we would be no better than animals. End of story


And if those are perverted beyond our ability to fix them?
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:51 am to
Due process.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:54 am to
Did you say "if"?
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:55 am to
quote:

Due process.


Pure fantasy at this point.

Too many scumbag Lawyers and corrupt and or biased Judges/Prosecutors.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21678 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:57 am to
quote:

Constitution
Due process of law

Without them, we would be no better than animals. End of story



Vigilantism, the justified kind anyway, arises when those things have already perished.
Posted by BigMob
Georgia
Member since Oct 2021
7625 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:57 am to
I have no qualms about vigilantism up until the point you get the wrong guy. Then it kinda sucks.
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
18052 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:58 am to
quote:

Due process.


Aaaaah, the good ol’ days!
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111496 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:59 am to
quote:

Moral objections against vigilantism?


Many. The chief argument against it is that it devolves into a French Revolution-esque Reign of Terror.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27029 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:01 am to
quote:

Due process of law


When criminals have more rights than victims is there really due process any longer?
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:01 am to
quote:

do most of you have a moral revulsion to vigilantism?

When the government fails to enact it's duty to punish wicked doers, there is a point where the citizens must step up and act to purge the land from evil. There is coming a time very soon when we will have to to step up as kinsmen to avenge wrong doing.
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