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MLK made some good points when answering this question
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:28 pm
Yes, the remarks were made over 50 years ago, and things have improved.
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Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:08 pm to tigerskin
No one here will take the time to listen to this, but it’s accurate. I’m not anti-white or pro-reparations, but it’s ignorant to fail to see that there was an inequality of treatment that has handicapped African-Americans in a wholly different way than any other minority group in this country.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:13 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
How many generations behind would you say they are.l because of this inequality? So we can compare to former generations of white folks.
What about us brown people? How many generations behind are we, would you say?
What about us brown people? How many generations behind are we, would you say?
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:26 pm to BBONDS25
The South was fully integrated in the late sixties. That's about 3 generations of kids attending the same schools. I had a few black kids in my class that were good students. Not elite but above average. Today, I would expect the same results. I worked with some Vietnamese after the war, that had traveled through 6 different countries before entering the U.S. and they could speak 6 different languages. Blew me away, I don't know how many of my class mates could have accomplished this. Just saying. Different people just learn easier and faster than others.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:27 pm to BBONDS25
I’m not an expert on this topic and really wouldn’t know how to go about answering “how many generations behind they are”. I’m not even sure that’s the right question. It’s more of what kind of environment they were dumped into and maintained in, and what that does in terms of educational opportunities and upward mobility.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:56 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
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it’s ignorant to fail to see that there was an inequality of treatment that has handicapped African-Americans in a wholly different way than any other minority group in this country.
It's ignorant to think that anyone being poor as an adult is anyone's fault but their own (outside of extenuating circumstances like health).
My father lost his dad at 10. He grew up poor and was only able to survive due to his father's small SS, his church, and his sister that worked her arse off after high school. He got a job at 15 and paid for his own college.
My friend was homeless at 13 and got no assistance from anyone. He got a job at 14 to buy food for his mom and little sister. He has worked full-time since.
They didn't get anything for being white and grew up extremely poor like a lot of people did. Blaming race relations from 50 years ago for people being unable to succeed on their own today is absurd.
1. Graduate high school
2. Get a full-time job
3. Don't have kids before marriage
4. Live within your means
It's not difficult.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 10:02 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
You nailed it, but sadly folks these days want to blame their problems and lack of success on anything and everything but themselves.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 10:11 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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1. Graduate high school
2. Get a full-time job
3. Don't have kids before marriage
4. Live within your means
seriously! If just 40% more blacks (and whites and hispanics) heeded this perfect message, it would turn this country around.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 10:32 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
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handicapped African-Americans
Yep, and hyphenating Americans is one of the worst handicaps you can put on a group.
I know very few black folks that are actually from Africa.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 10:33 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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They didn't get anything for being white and grew up extremely poor like a lot of people did. Blaming race relations from 50 years ago for people being unable to succeed on their own today is absurd.
I agree with the hard work sentiment. I know quite a few other Blacks who have similar tales.
The difference though, is what was legally allowed 50 years ago versus today. Even if a black family back then could get a lower middle class living, they were legally segregated into specific districts during segregation (obviously the bad ones).
I realize that you and others on here prescribe to the "you can overcome" mantra. And while that is true, it is not a reason to ignore specific problems Blacks faced during the early to late Jim-Crow era. Another point to add is that human nature, for better or worse, is not as standardized as the law. Some locations were very anti-Black long after Brown vs. Board and the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Again, not a reason to give up and not succeed in life, but another unique challenge tailored specifically to Blacks.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 10:43 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
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BornAndRaised_LA
What other group of people was enslaved on American soil?
Posted on 1/21/19 at 10:50 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
How long can that be milked though?
When can we expect it to not matter anymore?
When can we expect it to not matter anymore?
Posted on 1/21/19 at 10:53 pm to CDawson
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Yep, and hyphenating Americans is one of the worst handicaps you can put on a group.
I know very few black folks that are actually from Africa.
It was intentional. That’s precisely the group, demographically, that MLK was talking about in the video.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 11:02 pm to WaltTeevens
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What other group of people was enslaved on American soil?
To a far lesser degree, the Native Americans experienced some of it, but for the most part they were simply eradicated or pushed onto reservations.
Any other group that may have had slavery was not race-based. So, although there were white slaves early on as well, they were not stigmatized or repressed as a group into the mid-twentieth century as black slaves were.
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 6:36 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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1. Graduate high school
2. Get a full-time job
3. Don't have kids before marriage
4. Live within your means
You're just an an Uncle Tom, there's no room in todays America for personal responsibility, it Takes a Village.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:06 am to tigerskin
Interesting points from MLK. I love listening to him very thoughtful in all of his responses.
I disagree with some of his points in this video though. Yes the emancipation proclamation freed the slaves and yes they weren’t “given” anything then but they have been over time.
The land give away in the Midwest and west applied to anyone not just whites. They (former slaves) were given the opportunity to leave the US as well.
I wonder what he would say about the state of the black family today?
I know a couple of his children and nieces and nephews they are very conservative and pro-life. That’s the part of MLKs legacy the lunatic left wants to hide.
I disagree with some of his points in this video though. Yes the emancipation proclamation freed the slaves and yes they weren’t “given” anything then but they have been over time.
The land give away in the Midwest and west applied to anyone not just whites. They (former slaves) were given the opportunity to leave the US as well.
I wonder what he would say about the state of the black family today?
I know a couple of his children and nieces and nephews they are very conservative and pro-life. That’s the part of MLKs legacy the lunatic left wants to hide.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:20 am to BornAndRaised_LA
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but it’s ignorant to fail to see that there was an inequality of treatment that has handicapped African-Americans in a wholly different way than any other minority group in this country.
Are you referring to the ones whitey is responsible for OR the self-inflected ones?
Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:25 am to BornAndRaised_LA
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but it’s ignorant to fail to see that there was an inequality of treatment that has handicapped African-Americans in a wholly different way than any other minority group in this country.
So the legacy of racism totally absolves African Americans from the choices that they make that contribute to generational poverty?
Especially when those same bad choices inflict poverty on white Americans?
No one is denying that African Americans were racially stigmatized .,, but let’s not blame every single bad thing on that terrible legacy. That’s just intellectually lazy.
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 8:27 am
Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:35 am to Ten Bears
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So the legacy of racism totally absolves African Americans from the choices that they make that contribute to generational poverty?
Especially when those same bad choices inflict poverty on white Americans?
No one is denying that African Americans were racially stigmatized .,, but let’s not blame every single bad thing on that terrible legacy. That’s just intellectually lazy.
It's also intellectually lazy to diminish the psychological effects that discrimination has imparted onto the black culture.
We were literally taught to hate ourselves and to fight each other over different amounts of melanin in our skin. That takes generations to unwind.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:54 am to rickyh
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Different people just learn easier and faster than others.
Primarily it depends of the culture of the parents and the dedication of their parents to the concept.
a culture that has had no imperative to pursue education for half a century - and is overwhelmingly populated by single mothers whose only generational imperative was to find more ways to 'get on disability' or otherwise milk the welfare system.
it takes an incredibly strong individual to break free of this modern day bondage of the mind.
I cannot be sure I would have been any different had I been born into that environment 'raised' by a single mom on welfare with dozens of "baby daddies" darting into and out of my house, with no close-by role models to show me a different way.
As it was, my parents were not great - but I was raised in a wider culture that respected - even demanded - good moral behavior, hard work, education. I was able to break free from poverty and pretty much 'hands off' parenting.
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