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Meanwhile: Judge Ellis pimp slaps Honest Bob's Manafort trial AGAIN, ends court early

Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:30 pm
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:30 pm
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Paul Manafort‘s third day on trial over charges of bank fraud and tax evasion was cut a bit short on Thursday after government attorneys made the same mistake twice in a row.


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Static filled the courtroom as the longest bench conference of the day ensued. Upon returning to Ayliff’s testimony, the jury learned that the issue had been deferred until Friday–if ever. Then, Assistant U.S. Attorney Uzo Asonye asked about another term of art contained on federal tax forms.




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Judge Ellis, who was already standing by this point, advised Ayliff to wait and announced the court would recess early. After the jury left, Ellis took a few minutes to tell the press and public all about the bench conference. As it turns out, not only was Ayliff a non-noticed witness being asked to give the equivalent of expert testimony, but the prosecution and defense had already agreed on what the term “financial interest” meant. Moreover, this agreement was provided on a proposed–and approved–jury instruction. That is, not only was Ayliff not an expert and not a noticed expert as necessitated by the Federal Rules of Evidence–but his testimony had the potential to derail an already-agreed-upon definition of the term(s) in question. This, Ellis said, could have “confused or clouded” things for the jury.


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When prosecutors addressed Manafort's relationship with Ukrainian "oligarchs," he told them to knock it off. Prosecutors are inferring that Manafort associates himself with "despicable people and therefore he's despicable," he said. "That's not the American way." Descriptions of Manafort's $15,000 ostrich-leather jacket, the $6 million in cash he put toward real estate and his $900,000 in purchases at a New York boutique also left the judge unimpressed. He may not like fancy-pants lawyers, but fancy pants in America are not against the law. "The government doesn't want to prosecute somebody because they wear nice clothes, do they?" Ellis asked. "Let's move on."



Who will give me odds he dismisses this case at some point?
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134840 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:33 pm to
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As it turns out, not only was Ayliff a non-noticed witness being asked to give the equivalent of expert testimony

What does "non-noticed" mean?
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43318 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:35 pm to
What a fricking shite-show.

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126940 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:36 pm to
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Who will give me odds he dismisses this case at some point?


I'm betting when the defense makes its customary directed verdict motion for acquittal, the motion will be granted....with prejudice.
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:38 pm to
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What does "non-noticed" mean?


It means he was added to the witness list at the last moment and the opposing attorney wasn't given reasonable time to prepare. It can be allowed or not, depending on individual circumstances
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
29615 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:40 pm to
Question to trial attorneys: Are these types of mistakes common? If they are, does the Judge so frequently reprimand the Prosecution publicly? I mean, I know the jury isn't supposed to be privy to this info but, lets be real, you know some on the jury are reading on their phones about this trial and see this stuff. Seems this is headed for a mistrial, no?
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
20105 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:42 pm to
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Who will give me odds he dismisses this case at some point?


Maybe so, but the judge’s efforts to strongly enforce rules of evidence and courtroom conduct are pretty typical of most federal judges.

It’s the attitude of the jurors that really matters and there’s no telling how they’ll interpret the evidence presented.

Remember that the prosecutors have the home court advantage, so to speak.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51794 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:42 pm to
Ellis has no patience with this case. There's no doubt about that.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48256 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:44 pm to
I don't think he'll dismiss the case.

But it is obvious just how incompetent this prosecutorial team really is.
This post was edited on 8/3/18 at 12:45 pm
Posted by Oddibe
Close to some, further from others
Member since Sep 2015
6565 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:45 pm to
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It means he was added to the witness list at the last moment
I disagree. I think the prosecution was using him as an "expert" witness but was "not-noticed" or approved as an expert witness
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non-noticed witness being asked to give the equivalent of expert testimony


If the witness was Manafort's "book keeper" he doesn't necessarily have the knowledge of a CPA.

ETA: I could be completely wrong with my assumption though
This post was edited on 8/3/18 at 12:50 pm
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
20105 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:45 pm to
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I'm betting when the defense makes its customary directed verdict motion for acquittal, the motion will be granted....with prejudice.


The judge would REALLY have to think that a miscarriage of justice was taking place to take the matter out of the hands of the jury, especially in a politically charged case such as this.

Odds are against a directed verdict.
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:45 pm to
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But it is obvious just how incompetent this prosecutorial team really is.


They are a lot of things, incompetent isn't one of them
Posted by Maytheporkbewithyou
Member since Aug 2016
12588 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:46 pm to
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Are these types of mistakes common?


Are these mistakes or is the prosecution trying to slide stuff by hoping the judge doesn't catch it?
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
131226 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:47 pm to
Better to get a not guilty verdict than a dismissal.
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:47 pm to
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incompetent isn't one of them


What would you call this?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:50 pm to
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Who will give me odds he dismisses this case at some point?
Zero
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63431 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:50 pm to
He won’t dismiss this cas. That would be far too controversial.
BTW, tonight on WWL at 10, there’s supposedly a story on a Russian connection in N.O. Oligarchs and shite on St Charles Avenue. Woohoo
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
41291 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:51 pm to
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tonight on WWL at 10, there’s supposedly a story on a Russian connection in N.O. Oligarchs and shite on St Charles Avenue. Woohoo


the democrat obsession with Russia is a religion
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126940 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:52 pm to
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Oligarchs and shite on St Charles Avenue.
There's always shite on St. Charles Avenue.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:53 pm to
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What does "non-noticed" mean?
Hard to tell from the (usual) crap reporting, but he was probably listed as a fact witness ... but not as an expert witness. Prosecutor probably asked a “gray area” question, and Defense likely objected that a question was asking for an expert opinion from a “fact witness.” Small potato stuff.
This post was edited on 8/3/18 at 1:02 pm
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