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HailHailtoMichigan!
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Meanwhile, Arizona passes bill that gives parents control of the state’s educational funds

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Corey A. DeAngelis
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BREAKING: Arizona Senate just passed a bill to fund students instead of systems.

This will be the most expansive school choice initiative in the nation.

All families will be able to take their children's education dollars to the education providers of their choosing.


The Senate vote was 16 to 10 along party lines.

It already passed the House 31 to 26.

It now goes to Governor Ducey's desk.

He is a staunch supporter of educational freedom, and is expected to sign it.

This will be the most monumental school choice victory in U.S. history.


This was long the dream of Milton Friedman.

Fund students, not systems


Jack Carter
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The Senate vote was 16 to 10 along party lines.


Democrats are unamerican


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Lima Whiskey
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I really believe in this. Schools have a profound effect on us. And parents, unless they have the money for private school, have almost no control over who teaches their children, and what their children are taught.

Unfortunately, now, today, you very often end up with teachers and curriculum that are hostile to you, and your culture.


KAGTASTIC
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Unfortunately, now, today, you very often end up with teachers and curriculum that are hostile to you, and your culture.


And you are the bad person for speaking up about it. Baffling. Democrats have definitely pushed it to far, and good to see some common sense changes being made.


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ksayetiger
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This is what this country has needed for decades!



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dcbl
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this is excellent news and should be a bigger story than abortion

hopefully we are witnessing a real pendulum swing - it’s time to take our country back while we still have one


SlowFlowPro
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This is going to lead to some really questionable arguments by Leftists where they basically call poor people stupid people who can't make their own decisions. The people on the left who have intelligence and are above the drone level understand one of the biggest reasons for diversion in outcomes is parental behavior, which is why they love institutions like school to supplant society. It provides a somewhat even distribution of some level of basics to all children and removes some parental control/influence to offset the bad decision-making that increases the chances of negative outcomes for the kids.

They know if you make this a choice, a lot of that is removed and parental behavior and decision making becomes much more important.


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loogaroo
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This will never happen here in Louisiana. Too many parasites on the school system here. It’s not the children or parents either.


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TrueTiger
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If you want to break the systemic racism fostered upon black kids by teacher's unions:






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fjlee90
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There’s a crazy amount of common sense in this idea. I’m eager to see the results. Hopefully they are positive and more states move to this structure.


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adamau
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The only possible issue I see with this is over enrollment/ over crowding and how they go about handling those who get spots at those schools that are wanted by more than they hold. raffle? if you live there, but don't get in because of raffle, that part could get messy


the808bass
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About 1.2 million students have left public schools in the U.S. since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020, according to a recent national survey. Schools in the nation's urban centers––like Los Angeles, New York City, and Chicago––have been particularly affected. In Los Angeles, enrollment in non-charter public schools decreased by almost 50,000 between the 2019–2020 school year and the 2021–2022 school year, according to the California Department of Education. Boston Public Schools enrollment has dropped by about 8.5% since October 2019, accounting for a decrease of about 4,300 students.

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The even worse news for public schools is that the drop in enrollment is very focused on the early year students, kindergarten and first grade. If that turns into a trend, it will have far-reaching effects.
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GoldenGuy
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If that turns into a trend, it will have far-reaching effects.


Wait about 3-4 years.


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You_R_Here
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This is the kind of choice Americans should be focusing on.


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Bourre'
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I’m going to rub myself raw with this law. I hope it’s a trend nationwide


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RandySavage
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It sounds great but I've never understood the practical application. Assuming the vast majority of people will try to send their students to the best schools how do they determine who gets in?

Also, do people understand it's not the schools themselves that are achieving but the people in them? How does this not dilute that system?

Honestly asking these questions, because I've always been intrigued by this but never really seen a good plan of execution.


RCDfan1950
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this is excellent news and should be a bigger story than abortion

hopefully we are witnessing a real pendulum swing - it’s time to take our country back while we still have one





It'll be like Abortion; some States will allow it and some won't. De facto 'Balkanization'.


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the808bass
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Also, do people understand it's not the schools themselves that are achieving but the people in them?


This isn’t the whole truth. 1) Some schools do not provide for the basic safety of their students on the property. It’s not conducive to educational success. 2) A bad teacher can actually move a student backwards educationally, sometimes equivalent to half a year of education. A good teacher can move a student forwards up to one and a half years.

Reducing student outcomes all to variables outside the educational system is nonsense. And when I say it like that, it makes it clear that it is nonsense.


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jmarto1
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What is great about this is it will be an experiment and states can adopt or not. I would still rather have a group of elected scholars on a board administer this. Im.not sure of Gheens, Dulac, and Cut Off would have that great of input


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wickowick
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frick the teachers unions


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