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Maybe we shouldn’t run out of frigs to give
Posted on 6/20/18 at 2:22 am
Posted on 6/20/18 at 2:22 am
As someone who understands the Trumpian belief in national sovereignty and a best possible solution to illegal border crossings I still have compassion for kids who, no matter how they got here, are clearly victims. Be it because of traffickers or irresponsible parents, these kids end up in a tragic situation through no fault of their own (even in the case of being unaccompanied). I get what Trump and Sessions are trying to accomplish and I understand the need for a strong policy. What I don’t get, however, are folks on my side of the aisle playing the role of unfeeling internet tough guy with zero frigs to give. It doesn’t make you look good but more importantly it doesn’t make the right look good. When a political opponent wishes to paint you into a corner of being an unfeeling monster, there’s no need to supply the paint. If you, in fact, can’t muster any frigs to give regardless of who started the policy, etc., maybe spend some time focusing on that rather than trying to earn “I don’t give a frig” points. Those things are less valuable than Marlboro points at this juncture. I’m not criticizing the policy but I’m also not joining the “who cares if kids suffer” fan club. These are complicated issues and the solutions have far reaching ramifications for everyone involved. If you can’t meet this situation in a sober manner maybe you aren’t ready to leave the kiddie table.
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Posted on 6/20/18 at 2:26 am to OleManDixon
If you give these people an inch they'll take a mile. If we cuck on the children then the hordes will swarm at greater rates than we've ever seen. Sucks for the kids but it isn't our fault, their parents are the villains here. No quarter for the Marxists.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 2:28 am to OleManDixon
It's not that we have no frigs to give...it's that we are tired of the ignorance. it is frightening how easily manipulated people are.
If people would do a modicum of research instead of blindly throwing temper tantrums....this wouldn't be an issue.
If people would do a modicum of research instead of blindly throwing temper tantrums....this wouldn't be an issue.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 2:33 am to OleManDixon
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I’m not criticizing the policy but I’m also not joining the “who cares if kids suffer” fan club.
No one wants kids to suffer. The thing is, we aren't the ones causing the suffering. Their parents are. Why do their parents never get blame for putting them in this position?
Don't cross the border and you don't have to worry. Pretty simple, eh?
Posted on 6/20/18 at 2:34 am to BBONDS25
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It's not that we have no frigs to give...it's that we are tired of the ignorance. it is frightening how easily manipulated people are.
Fair point. The activist media and their completely narrative driven “reporting” have put the country in a much more precarious position than anything Trump has done. It is truly dangerous.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 2:48 am to OleManDixon
The kids aren't suffering. They have shelter and are well-fed, many better than they were before. Some are even being educated & taking field trips. That is much better treatment than they received from their parents that dragged them thousands of miles and risked their lives at the hands of criminals. Most of them are back with their parents within hours. The situation is not what the media and leftists are pretending it is.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 3:30 am to OleManDixon
Whomp whomp
Posted on 6/20/18 at 3:32 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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The kids aren't suffering. They have shelter and are well-fed, many better than they were before. Some are even being educated & taking field trips. That is much better treatment than they received from their parents that dragged them thousands of miles and risked their lives at the hands of criminals. Most of them are back with their parents within hours. The situation is not what the media and leftists are pretending it is.
Well what a lot of assumptions to make yourself feel better.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 3:51 am to CollegeFBRules
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Well what a lot of assumptions to make yourself feel better
Go back to whatever cesspool transformed you into a progressive loon. You aren't providing anything useful to this board.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 4:02 am to CollegeFBRules
Maybe because Reagan showed compassion and gave amnesty to 3million, two decades later we are now debating another 11million and the left is yet again having a hissy fit?
Perhaps because they arent escaping a "bad situation" they escaped that the day they walked out of their home.....and for some odd reason kept walking for another 1000 miles til they reached the source of the scent they were tracking....benes and lots of them.
Maybe because Im tired of people pissing down my back and telling me its raining?
Maybe its because the previous admin wanted them to come across. Course with the dept of agr advertising the qualifications for the SNAP program in Mexican papers thats a little clue isnt it?
Have some compassion for the 13 million American kids who are currently living worse than these kids playing video games in air conditioning at the border.
Perhaps because they arent escaping a "bad situation" they escaped that the day they walked out of their home.....and for some odd reason kept walking for another 1000 miles til they reached the source of the scent they were tracking....benes and lots of them.
Maybe because Im tired of people pissing down my back and telling me its raining?
Maybe its because the previous admin wanted them to come across. Course with the dept of agr advertising the qualifications for the SNAP program in Mexican papers thats a little clue isnt it?
Have some compassion for the 13 million American kids who are currently living worse than these kids playing video games in air conditioning at the border.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 4:02 am to CollegeFBRules
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collegeFBRules
Uhh...did you research the info before you posted? Apparently you did not. Children from illegal immigrants are turned back over in less than 2 hours on average, the time it takes to process the guardians and question them. The migrants that have a red flag take longer to process, hence the longer duration of separation.
The shelters are upgraded prisons. I'll give you that it's no Holiday Inn Express, but the children wouldn't be there if their guardians didn't put themselves in the situation initially. In words, they knowingly and intentionally broke US International laws.
Who do you hold accountable?
The guardians.
What do you do with the guardian's dependables while they are in custody?
Contact next of kin to collect dependable. These people have no local kin. Thus, children detained for long durations, due to their guardians, are transported to shelters.
This isn't rocket science. The same thing happens to US citizens. If it's such an uproar now, why wasn't it brought to MSM attention 4 years ago? Why stop here? Let's destroy orphanages and let Darwin decide what kids survive on the streets.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 4:49 am to gmac8604
Watch as people step by step accept and try to normalize monsterous policies which inflict unnecessary suffering on others.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:02 am to TBoy
Look: someone who's never even been around the block giving directions to the train station..
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:32 am to TBoy
So you consider the treatment of unclaimed children with US citizenship "monstrous"? Why are you still paying taxes?
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:56 am to OleManDixon
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not joining the “who cares if kids suffer” fan club
Exactly who are you referring to here??
I would say the prog/DEM/MSM filth who knowingly push for policies that attract groups into those situations are the 'dont care if kids suffer' fan club.
It is the same thing as filling up an abandoned swimming pool and not providing a fence or supervision - then advertising all over the kiddy channels where the pool is and inviting them to come over and have fun!!! And they are the ones who prevented the authorities from filling up the pool long ago, or even fencing it off, with the claim = "it would cost too much!!!"
I have tremendous sympathy for the children caught up in this abominable malfeasance the prog/DEM/MSM cabal has foisted upon the nation for the past 50 years, and especially since the Obama administration began exacerbating the problems.
The only thing that would appear to assuage your conscience would be to do the same thing as Obama = catch and release. That is a toxic policy for our nation - it may have already infected our vital organs to the extent that we cannot recover = which was the goal of Obama and continues to be the goal of the prog/DEM/MSM cabal.
In oder to survive we must remove the toxin. In the long run that is best for the children being currently abused by the prog/DEM/MSM cabal. This whole kerfuffle is equivalent to a jihadist wearing a suicide vest charging into a crowd holding their children in front of them as a shield. That child is doomed, not by us but by the virulent ideology of their parents.
eta: and the above doesn't even address the problem of many adults are using random children as their 'ticket' to gain access, plus the ones who are sex trafficking the kids, plus the drug cartels, etc. This is the only way to protect those kids from worse horrors than a few days of detainment in healthy facilities.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 6:00 am
Posted on 6/20/18 at 6:09 am to OleManDixon
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What I don’t get, however, are folks on my side of the aisle playing the role of unfeeling internet tough guy with zero frigs to give.
As long as you understand that:
1. They're counting folks up to 26 as "children"
2. Most children are "unaccompanied"
3. They use "children" as a shield for other illegals, catch and release, then chain migration for these future dreamers, when there isn't even a single American citizen in the batch.
IF we could immediately deport them without all the self-inflicted wounds we've baked into our asylum request/immigration hearing, etc., system, we wouldn't need to separate them. And returning them just across the border so they can try again tomorrow isn't an answer, either. We need to return them well away from the border area, like back to the interior of Mexico or, if they're OTM, back to their country of origin. OTMs weren't even detained for the longest time, unless they had a criminal record. They disappear and never appear for their immigration hearings, too. Shocker.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 6:10 am to OleManDixon
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frigs to give
I just received a new order for these; I'm good for awhile
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