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Mass Shooter Psychological Study
A study looking at mass shooters and mental health. A group of psychiatrists examined the files of 35 mass shooters who survived their crimes. They went over all court records, interviews, social media postings, personal writings, job history, and interviews with people who knew the subject to make a diagnosis. Where possible they interviewed the psychiatrists who examined the shooter before trial.

Out of the 35 who survived, the following diagnoses were given:

18 had schizophrenia
3 had Bipolar (type 1)
2 had delusional disorders (persecutory type)
2 had severe substance use disorders
1 had Borderline Personality
1 had Paranoid Personality
1 had PTSD

(The other 7 could not be diagnosed due to lack of information).

They also looked at a random sample of 20 shooters who died at the scene. They were only able to diagnose 8 of the 20 (all had schizophrenia). They suspected one of these 20 had physical brain damage that was the primary cause.

More importantly, none of the killers (not one) had been medicated - they were living with untreated illness. In fact, they couldn't find a case where a shooter had been diagnosed or treated at all for mental health issues. This despite that some were over 40 years old. The average age of onset of schizophrenia is 25 for men and late 20's for women. So the fact some of these guys made it to their 40's and 50's without a diagnosis is incredibly concerning.

It must be said that schizophrenics comprise 1% of the world population. That means there's well over 3 million in the U.S. The vast majority are not violent or ever go on shooting sprees. Statistics show schizophrenics are more likely to be victims of violent crime than perpetrators. This is because many live alone, are homeless and are vulnerable in life. But when a schizophrenic is unmedicated and has other issues going on in life, things can go very wrong.

I think mental illness is a part of these shootings, clearly, but not the whole explanation. Life circumstances, personality, emotional problems, etc. can all play a part. Psychosis in itself is not enough - lots of people have psychosis (hear voices, see things) but don't kill people.

Judging from these data, do you baws think all schizophrenics should be put into a database and not allowed to purchase guns, even if they have no criminal record?

Journal of Clinical Psychopharmacology


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re: Mass Shooter Psychological Study
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think all schizophrenics should be put into a database
Im tired of the government being the only thing to save us. Every crisis is now used to bloat the govt and strip individual’s rights.

If big daddy govt wants to do something, I suggest they back TF off promoting mental illness under the guise of tranny rights


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LRB1967
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I have had some experience with this as I work with mentally ill teenagers. Mass shooters tend to be "injustice collectors." They fixate on actual or perceived wrongs done to them by others. The barrage of media attention given to mass shooters can be a motivating factor .


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how333
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re: Mass Shooter Psychological Study
How did they choose their control group? 35 from what time period? Any 35? According to the study, they could have used non-survivors also. They didn't interview the surviving party.


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35 from what time period?


Since 1982, as that is as far back as the database they used goes. I believe this database does not include shootings with clear motives (robbery, gang related, etc.). It is only a database of seemingly random shootings.

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Any 35?


Dunno about those 35. For the dead 20, they looked in the database for shooters who died at scene and picked 20 of those at random.

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According to the study, they could have used non-survivors also


They used both. The group of 35 were all survivors. The group of 20 all died at the scene. With the group of 20, they had a much harder time diagnosing since they didn't live to see prison shrinks or stand trial (or plea). At a trial, all of your life will come out which would make it easier for the shrinks obviously.

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They didn't interview the surviving party.


Yep, but they did interview the psychiatrists who did.


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My cousin has schizophrenia and down syndrome. A couple of takeaways from growing up with her.

1. If she's not happy, someone is going to get fricked up. Tell her she's done eating. Take away her basketball. She goes violent quick and its irrational at best. She'd throw her own mother off a rooftop for telling her dinner is over.

2. Judging by the shite that comes out of her mouth. I can assure you the voice in her head is one evil motherfricker.


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Andd yet my daughter has it as well as would never hurt a flea!


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Navtiger1
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re: Mass Shooter Psychological Study
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Judging from these data, do you baws think all schizophrenics should be put into a database and not allowed to purchase guns, even if they have no criminal record?


Or maybe stop judging mental illness and threatening to take away rights if their diagnosed. Maybe if we did that more people would seek treatment. Fear of stigma and loss of rights is a big reason people with some mental problems including depression and PTSD don't get help.


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bigDgator
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Fear of stigma and loss of rights is a big reason people with some mental problems including depression and PTSD don't get help.


What do you propose we do about that?


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psk_Vol
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18 had schizophrenia


What is schizophrenia exactly? Like what specifically makes it such a terrible mental illness?


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how333
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I recall a stat that said the majority of assailants in school shootings, where the shooter was a student at that school, were almost all on some type of psyc drug. Some of which may not have even needed it. Interesting topic.


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Bulldogblitz
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I dont see "white" or "conservative" on this list. Someone is about to be defunded by the democrats


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RollingwiththeTide
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If you allow the government to start a database of people with schizophrenia and use that to deny those people guns then like most things it will start out as a good well meaning thing. But eventually it will be abused. The government will get a commission together to study schizophrenia. It will work out that the standards for a schizophrenia diagnosis will be lowered and it will include basic things that could show up in anyone. Then people will get caught up in this and added to that list and the government will just use a system like that as a way to institute gun control. Once you get added to the schizophrenia list it will be super hard to get your name off of it. So no as well meaning as this move would be it would just be abused and used to institute gun control and deny people their second amendment rights. The government doesn’t need to be keeping lists of any type unless you are talking about a FBI 10 Most Wanted list or something of that nature.


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Beessnax
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The vast majority are not violent or ever go on shooting sprees.


Seems like I read that only 1% of schizophrenics ever become violent. Most are very loving once they trust you. One used to tell me "man I can live but I can't live" which struck me as insightful. He eventually committed suicide.


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burger bearcat
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Judging from these data, do you baws think all schizophrenics should be put into a database and not allowed to purchase guns, even if they have no criminal record?


Your not going to like how this ends. Stop handing over power to the government.

I have a family member who is schizophrenic. Luckily our family is capable of supporting her and keeping her on a fairly ok path. Without us, she would be wondering the streets.

The government is not the solution, in many ways less government is the solution. Not to sound to cliche, but more family and more Jesus is the solution.



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Plx1776
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Ok.. I know this is probably a dumb question, but... what constitutes a mass shooting?

I've seen some people say that it only counts if 4 or more people die.

Like that racist dude who sprayed bullets recently, striking multiple people..would he not be classified as a mass shooter, just because his aim was poor? Even though he was trying to kill as many people as possible.


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GhostOfFreedom
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none of the killers (not one) had been medicated


Bull Shit

Nearly everyone I used to bother to look into were on some brain altering meds. Maybe, they came off of them, but the damage had been done. What the hell is this article, part of the red flag laws operation?

They clearly don't want to take responsibility for the damage they have done with their chemical psychiatry nor lose the money they get from the pharmacy industry.


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