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re: Masks Will Save Lives! (Fact Check: Mostly False)
Posted on 7/3/20 at 11:57 am to salty1
Posted on 7/3/20 at 11:57 am to salty1
quote:Then explain the name of the product: Personal protective equipment.
but I believe they wear surgical masks to protect the patient.
It is NOT Patient protective equipment. Never has been referred to that way.
Posted on 7/3/20 at 12:58 pm to ROPO
quote:
Then why DOES he wear the mask in surgery?
to protect other people from infection - especially the person whose guts are spread out on the operating table.
Same reason I wear a mask in public - even tho I don't have the virus - other people don't know that - makes sense to be courteous and not instill unneeded fear. Same thing I did before it became sone sort if 'law'
I can stand it for.a while - no prob.
Posted on 7/3/20 at 12:58 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
Because people are walking around with open surgical fields in their chest and/or abdomen.
No, but they are walking around with mouths and noses on their face, which allow access to the respiratory system that COVID-19 attacks.
I'm not advocating for a mandatory mask order or anything here, I'm just saying that there are reasons for people (particularly the people with respiratory issues) to wear them.
This post was edited on 7/3/20 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 7/3/20 at 1:02 pm to salty1
quote:
Masks Will Save Lives! (Fact Check: Mostly False)
Anyone wearing a mask by choice falls into one of the below categories;
1) Virtue Signaling
2) Brain dead sheep
3) Actively encouraging the hysteria to promote fear for political purposes
4) Scared little bitch
So which are you?
5) common courtesy = and because I don't want to engage in unnecessary arguments about some insignificant trivia.
BUT - now that it has been some sort of 'obligation' I am rethinking my practive - I refuse to be forced to be 'courteous."
Posted on 7/3/20 at 1:11 pm to salty1
quote:
Anyone wearing a mask by choice falls into one of the below categories;
1) Virtue Signaling
2) Brain dead sheep
3) Actively encouraging the hysteria to promote fear for political purposes
4) Scared little bitch
So which are you?
Don’t really disagree with you or your point (I’m staunchly anti-mask), but to play devil’s advocate, I’ll add:
5) Those that have underlying health issues
6) Those that are known to be Covid positive whether symptomatic or not.
Posted on 7/3/20 at 1:22 pm to Frank Black
quote:Just a suggestion .... don't get your medical advice from a political site, and don't get your political advice from a medical site.
townhall
Next time Ted Noel has surgery, he'll notice the surgical team wears masks. There is actually a reason for that.
Posted on 7/3/20 at 1:33 pm to CMBears1259
quote:
I’ll add:
5) Those that have underlying health issues
6) Those that are known to be Covid positive whether symptomatic or not.
Exactly. I said in a thread yesterday that I choose to wear one in public due to having asthma.
This post was edited on 7/3/20 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 7/3/20 at 1:57 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Exactly. I have 5 or 6 N95 masks that I change out daily. I stay pretty much isolated but my family talked me into a beach trip. I went but was reluctant. All I do is run in and run out of a store or Lowe's or something and wear the N95 religiously. I am older though. That doctor did a disservice in my opinion. All that tidal volume and dead space issue is pretty stupid to include unless you have lung issues. Normal lungs will adjust to changes in dead space. Hell, we used add mechanical dead space to ventilator patients.
Just a suggestion .... don't get your medical advice from a political site, and don't get your political advice from a medical site.
Next time Ted Noel has surgery, he'll notice the surgical team wears masks. There is actually a reason for that.
ETA - If masks don't work, wouldn't close to 100% of front line providers of healthcare to covid patients get infected? Does anyone know that percentage?
This post was edited on 7/3/20 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 7/3/20 at 2:02 pm to ROPO
quote:
Then why DOES he wear the mask in surgery?
It does a great job of blocking spittle, sneezes, and anything that might squirt from the operating table toward your mouth.
Read the label on the box. Invariably, they all say they do NOT prevent the transmission of airborne viruses.
Posted on 7/3/20 at 2:15 pm to Frank Black
The CDC tells us that wearing a mask helps reduce the spread from the one wearing the mask, but doesn’t prevent that same person from catching Covid. So, it seems to me that the CDC is telling us that wearing a mask only works one way, but then how can that be true if I can still catch it if I’m wearing a mask?
Posted on 7/3/20 at 2:36 pm to ROPO
Surgeons wear masks in the operating room to prevent bacteria more than anything else. A bacteria is a giant compared to a virus. A virus microbe can slip through most masks...at best maybe you limit the distance it travels.
This post was edited on 7/3/20 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:02 pm to NoMansLand
quote:You step over boundaries so as to make yourself worthless - and the real problem, is that you know it or CAN know it
Anti-maskers: Please organize as many mask-err-ade parties as you can. Invite as many CV+ friends as possible. Remember, you lose this contest if you leave the party or go to the hospital. Show them baws what it’s like to be a man even if it means dying for your cause.
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:11 pm to KiwiHead
quote:It depends. Orthopedic surgery gets messy as Hell.
Surgeons wear masks in the operating room to prevent bacteria more than anything else. A bacteria is a giant compared to a virus. A virus microbe can slip through most masks...at best maybe you limit the distance it travels.
Ever been in the OR for a hip rod? Or for a lumbar operation?
Hip rods can be like 2 feet long. They bore out the cavity in the femur to be sure the rod fits without splitting the femur too using a long drill rod with a bit on the end. Once the space is ready they literally hammer the rod into the marrow chamber. More times than not marrow squirts out the open end of the femur, sometimes shooting several feet out, like throwing a rock into a mud puddle. (speaking of puddles, hip rodding usually results in a big puddle of blood/marrow under the table and all over the C-Arm x-ray with tube/receptor above and below the patient)
I've also seen when extracting the long drill out, and due to extremely tight space, accidental triggering the drill on and thus spraying the area with bits of marrow and bone. This is kinda what I referred to with lumbar surgery. Fat patients it happens less because ya have to open a tunnel to get to the spine. Skinny patients though the spine is just right there so once the power tool goes on, saw or drill, it hits the bone and stuff goes flying. (like cutting or drilling a 2x4 sends sawdust flying)
Ortho work is messy stuff and can be strenuous beyond belief. A lot of handiwork with hammers, mallets, screws, screwdrivers, saws, drills, chisels, punches, nuts and bolts. Lumbar spine is really hard thick bone, that's what supports all your upper body + all the torsion and stuff generated by the lower.
For that matter...where do you think the stuff goes when your Dentist drills? Flying all around maybe?
Then we get into Urology where there is a constant flush of saline, big bags hanging all over and it either runs into a floor drain like your shower or into tubs. But it 1st runs into and out the body up in as far as kidneys through the excretory extremity. Uro Dr. basically floats his equipment in and out. Tight fit and sometimes, like thumbing over a water hose, can cause pressure spray all over.
I was in one Uro case where the nurse hanging more saline bags was laughing so hard she hit a lower hook wrong and split the side of the one she trying to hang, just Splash!, one half the room soaked from eye level on down.
That's some examples of common stuff. You've seen the Shriners commercials with the deformities. Now imagine what they have to do to fix that stuff!
PPE droplet protection mask (aka surgical mask)...now ya know.
Protects the wearer from droplets coming at them.
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:14 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:I think the correct term is FORCED UNIVERSAL MASKING. and it has a Marxist totalitarianism ring to it
BUT - now that it has been some sort of 'obligation' I am rethinking my practive - I refuse to be forced to be 'courteous."
Posted on 7/3/20 at 8:31 pm to Sidicous
I know about orthos. Actually provide shields to some
Posted on 7/3/20 at 8:33 pm to Big Scrub TX
Since you keep posting this, it seems you don't really understand the subject and are unwilling to receive anything other than confirmation bias.
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