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re: Lynn officials: Illegal immigrant children are stressing city services

Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:10 pm to
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:10 pm to
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Ya but we are talking about kids, right?


yes...they're all cute little 8 year olds
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:11 pm to
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If a kid has never had an education, never attended school then you can see why they are not "literate in any language". That doesn't mean they have no potential.



they can try to reach their potential back in their home country
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
29364 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:11 pm to
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If a kid has never had an education, never attended school then you can see why they are not "literate in any language".




Reminds me of a t-shirt that I saw one time:


"I'm not illiterate. I know who my daddy is!"
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73970 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:12 pm to
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What? I thought these kids were the " best and brightest " that Obama accused mean conservatives of trying to keep out?




Don't know where you get that from.
The idiot in chief made the comment.

We shouldn't be making it harder for the best and brightest to come here."

LINK
Posted by gatorrocks
Lake Mary, FL
Member since Oct 2007
13973 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:14 pm to
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That doesn't mean they have no potential.

And it's not our responsibility to find out. Sorry their country is so corrupt that they can't provide basic services, but we cannot afford to do it for them.
Posted by wfeliciana
Member since Oct 2013
4504 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:16 pm to
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And it's not our responsibility to find out. Sorry their country is so corrupt that they can't provide basic services, but we cannot afford to do it for them.



Didn't say it was. I was commenting that because a child was not literate did not mean they had no potential.
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:16 pm to
Don't like illegals?

Stop hiring them.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73970 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:17 pm to
These Chirren are pretty peaceful as well.

An illegal immigrant who was released by U.S. authorities with a Notice to Appear has been arrested for the alleged murder of a woman and kidnapping of children on U.S. soil. The alleged crimes occurred after the man was released.
The man, Pedro Alberto Monterroso-Navas, entered the U.S. illegally with children and turned himself in to U.S. Border Patrol agents. He was processed and released, as are all illegal immigrants who come as unaccompanied minors or incomplete family units from Central America. The alien is from Honduras.

Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:18 pm to
this whole argument reminds me of this

SEINFELD ON IMMIGRATION
Posted by Pinecone Repair
Burminham
Member since Nov 2013
7156 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:26 pm to
This was just discussed here the other day.
I'm not trying to be a bitch but this is the second time that I have noticed you seem oddly disinterested in seeking out new information on your own. Why is that?
Had I questioned something someone posted I would look for that information myself. Is it an act? I just don't get it.

Best and Brightest

quote:

Latham says me the increase in new students has created overcrowding, forced her to hire more staff, and has impacted state testing scores and drop-out numbers


Sounds like a whole lot of " potential ".
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 1:30 pm
Posted by gatorrocks
Lake Mary, FL
Member since Oct 2007
13973 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:30 pm to
And I agree with Seinfeld. I'm all for open immigration as long as you

1) Have the means to support yourself
2) Can't sign up for public assistance until you've paid your own taxes for a number of years.

Ask someone who came here legally on a Visa if they can get medicaid. They'll just laugh and laugh and laugh...
Posted by wfeliciana
Member since Oct 2013
4504 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:34 pm to
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I'm not trying to be a bitch but this is the second time that I have noticed you seem oddly disinterested in seeking out new information on your own. Why is that?
Had I questioned something someone posted I would look for that information myself. Is it an act? I just don't get it.



Well you are right I have not read all the threads from the last few days and I probably should have searched for the quote.

My comment was more to the fact that one shouldn't dismiss their potential just because they are not literate. And of course test scores will lag, these kids would have to play catch up.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30381 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:39 pm to
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When will people learn?


They won't. Because in their mind, it's "save the children and the helpless no matter what".

Think of our societal structure as a very small boat at sea. We have people on our boat, have a vested personal and financial interest in our boat and did all the work to build/buy parts for our boat. We've all managed to ration out food and water proportionate enough for us.

Now we come across some people in the middle of nowhere in the ocean. They start swimming towards us. Their circumstances are dire, horrific and saddening. They have no boat, no raft, no swimming apparatus, nothing.

Now they are grabbing on to our boat and trying to get in. Out of our kindness we feel for them, and allow the three or four we found to get into our boat and share our resources.

We drift further along. Now we come across a group of 5 people. They are in the same circumstances as the first three to four people we picked up earlier. However now, our boat is full and our food/water supply is being disproportionately rationed. We decide to let those 5 people in our boat anyway. Now the food/water rations are screwed to high heaven, the boat is barely moving because of the weight and water is now seeping into the boat because it is vastly over capacity.

Now we come across a group of 10. Everyone on the boat now is frustrated and aggravated. Half of the people on the boat are insisting we let these 10 new people into the boat with us or else they'll die. The other half are refusing to let them into the boat...not because they are heartless, but because they know the boat cannot handle the additional people.

At some point, our tax/welfare system is going to crumble with the way we freely allow undocumented individuals into the country.

I, along with everyone else I would imagine, don't necessarily care that they are here/want to be here. However, find a way to document them, and get them into the system so they can contribute like everyone else.

Simply using a heartstrings argument that "they are humans and deserve the same privileges we have" isn't going to fly with the way our nation is designed. The boat will eventually capsize and not only will the drifters drown, but all of us along with it.

Posted by Pinecone Repair
Burminham
Member since Nov 2013
7156 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:03 pm to
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Well you are right I have not read all the threads from the last few days and I probably should have searched for the quote.


Ok...

quote:

My comment was more to the fact that one shouldn't dismiss their potential just because they are not literate. And of course test scores will lag, these kids would have to play catch up. 


The second paragraph kinda summed up their efforts.
I have seen firsthand the amount of time and energy that public schools pour into educating the children of illegals. Many times efforts to teach kids English are thwarted by parents who punish their kids for not speaking Spanish. Which was pretty common. There is a mindset that it difficult to describe,perhaps a result of being illegal,but it is as though they reject the idea of assimilation totally.


Our schools are more focused on teaching English as a second language to illegals than Spanish as a second language to college bound kids.
Talk to a public school teacher about the struggles they are facing. It's ridiculously unfair to them and to other kids.
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:36 pm to
These kids should not be allowed to enroll in our schools. It only hampers the teachers ability to focus on the legal students. It pulls the entire system down. We are focusing more on bringing illiterates to a basic level as opposed to advancing the education of the students that should be getting those resources and attention.

If the Federal Govn wants to get these illegal immigrant kids to a basic level then open facilities just for that purpose. Quit dumping them in with kids who already are at those age appropriate(by developed country standards) levels.
Posted by Pinecone Repair
Burminham
Member since Nov 2013
7156 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:39 pm to
quote:

These kids should not be allowed to enroll in our schools. It only hampers the teachers ability to focus on the legal students. It pulls the entire system down. We are focusing more on bringing illiterates to a basic level as opposed to advancing the education of the students that should be getting those resources and attention. 

If the Federal Govn wants to get these illegal immigrant kids to a basic level then open facilities just for that purpose. Quit dumping them in with kids who already are at those age appropriate(by developed country standards) levels



I agree with everything you said here.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:46 pm to
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These kids should not be allowed to enroll in our schools.


I agree with this, but it would not be easy.

The "right" for illegals to attend public schools stems from a Supreme Court decision in the early 80s (Plyler v. Doe) that had its roots in Tyler, Texas.

The local superintendent (Jim Plyler) and the school board proposed charging tuition to illegals to attend public schools.

But the Tyler federal district judge, William Wayne Justice (I shite you not, that was his name), ruled that the illegals would be roaming the streets if not in school, and communities would be worse off.

Well, Wayne Justice died a few years ago, but I am sure that he saw that the effect of his decision was to ruin schools, PLUS communities would have roving bands of illegals committing crimes in the communities (take a look at the drop-out stats for Hispanics).

William Wayne Justice was a Democrat and appointed by Lyndon Johnson. He was one sorry son of a bitch. He also gave "reformed" the prison system (you know what that means).

Anybody ever wonder why all these schools, especially in Texas, are going to free breakfast and lunch for ALL students, regardless of income?

Because they have to treat illegals with kid gloves (no pun intended), and can't ask for proof of citizenship, or even age, and definitely can't ask about momma or daddy's income.

It's easier just to say, hey, no one has to prove anything any longer.

What did these people expect would happen when we imported mass poverty and illiteracy, and people who had no inkling of the rule of law from the shitholes from which they came?
Posted by real
Dixieland
Member since Oct 2007
14027 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:22 pm to
Yeah and while a teacher has to take time to teac Pedro to say hello our kids suffer. Send the little bastards back .hell you democrats have no problem with the killing of the innocent unborn babies ,but have a problem with giving these kids a ham sand which,water and maybe crackers and send them back into Mexico. At least they have a chance,the unborn ones who are murdered don't.
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 3:23 pm
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
113753 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:27 pm to
quote:

, If a kid has never had an education, never attended school then you can see why they are not "literate in any language". That doesn't mean they have no potential.


Tarzan had no education, never attended school; but he was not 'illiterate in any language.' He could speak to monkeys, elephants and Jane.
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