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Losses in Ukrainian War

Posted on 2/4/23 at 10:49 pm
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 2/4/23 at 10:49 pm
The numbers below are supposedly provided by Mossad intelligence. Some people with knowledge state the same numbers are going the rounds in both intelligence and diplomatic circles. These numbers also match with Col MacGregor numbers. Of course, Mossad could be his source.
Hard to know for sure.

If these are real numbers provided by Mossad and not some sort of war propaganda, the Ukrainian losses are enormous and substantially higher than Russia losses in all categories. Also notable are the low number of Rus POWs. Again if true, it makes me wonder how the Ukrainian army is maintaining morale.


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As the first year of the Russia-Ukraine war is approaching, the war losses claimed by Israeli intelligence reveal the terrible dimensions of the war.

Allegedly, the field data of January 14, 2023, based on Israeli intelligence, is listed as follows:

RUSSIA:

Russian losses in the field with 418 thousand soldiers (plus 3,500,000 reservists) and a growing number of Wagner mercenaries :

23 Planes

56 Helicopters

200 (S)IHA

889 Tanks and armored vehicles

427 Howitzer (Artillery systems)

12 Air defense system

18,480 dead

44,500 Injured

323 Captive

UKRAINE:

The casualties of Ukraine , which was on the ground with 734 thousand soldiers (plus 100 thousand reserve soldiers) and NATO officers, soldiers and mercenaries, are as follows:

302 Aircraft

212 Helicopters

2.750 (S)IHA

6,320 Tanks and armored vehicles

7.360 Howitzer (Artillery systems)

497 Air defense system

157,000 Dead

234,000 injured

17,230 Captive

234 Dead – NATO military trainers (US and UK)

2,458 Dead – NATO soldiers (Germany, Poland, Lithuania, ...)

5,360 Dead – Mercenaries
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 2/4/23 at 10:58 pm to
Wait. Did you just suggest that the Mossad doesn't engage in propaganda or disinformation?

Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
22707 posts
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:01 pm to
Ukraine has lost more than 1/4 of its standing active duty forces to KIA, while Russia has lost about 4% of theirs.

How about another $70B!!
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
22770 posts
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:03 pm to
No he did not. Quite the opposite. hahahahahahahahahahaah
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
3627 posts
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:04 pm to
quote:

Did you just suggest that the Mossad doesn't engage in propaganda or disinformation?


Without a doubt. However Israel is not pro-Russia as far as I know.

One reason I posted this info is because of the scarcity of public information on losses and even numbers of POWs from the war. The numbers also match up with Col MacGregor who is paying serious attention to the conflict. Considering the war is primarily an artillery war and the massive artillery advantage of the Rus army, the numbers could be good. If the numbers are good, I do wonder how the Ukr army maintains morale.
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
2954 posts
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:10 pm to
This can’t be correct, because all the Biden voters were told differently by CNN. And CNN never lies.
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
3627 posts
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:12 pm to
One other important data point are the numbers in the field. I assume the Rus army at 418,000 in the field is strictly the fighting force battling along the south front and doesn't include the other 2 major uncommitted Rus army concentrations east of Kharkiv and w/i Belarus.
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
18060 posts
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:13 pm to
The West enabled all of that death and destruction by pushing for war instead of pushing for negotiations.
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
19669 posts
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:16 pm to
quote:

The numbers below are supposedly provided by Mossad intelligence
those numbers are ridiculously low on the Russian side. Oryx has vastly higher equipment losses than that, 100% photographically verified. They have lost over 1600 just tanks minimum, these guys saying 800 for all armored vehicles? 69 fixed wing aircraft minimum, 75 helicopters minimum. Looks like Russia propaganda downplaying their losses
This post was edited on 2/4/23 at 11:23 pm
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
3627 posts
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:19 pm to
quote:

The West enabled all of that death and destruction by pushing for war instead of pushing for negotiations.


If there had been no color revolution, I doubt this war would have occurred. If the Minsk agreement had been carried out in good faith, no war. If Ukraine had agreed to stay out of NATO, no war. Many steps to reach this disastrous war.
Posted by Bobulinski
Member since Oct 2020
442 posts
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:22 pm to
Wow, these numbers are way off if you listen to the MSM or the Ukrainian version of Baghdad Bob. He just released info with 130,000 Russian KIA.
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
3627 posts
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:28 pm to
quote:

those numbers are ridiculously low on the Russian side. Oryx has vastly higher equipment losses than that, 100% photographically verified.


The accuracy of the report would be dependent on the methods used to gain the info. Mossad and every other intelligence organization is working to produce the best possible conclusions. But nobody is giving those numbers out until this appeared. So who knows.
Posted by Chief One Word
Eastern Washington State
Member since Mar 2018
3684 posts
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:43 pm to
quote:

5,360 Dead – Mercenaries
Who would want to volunteer when some pimply-faced kid fresh out of high school can take you out with a drone grenade.
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Malibu
Member since Sep 2013
29030 posts
Posted on 2/5/23 at 12:21 am to
I better start wearing 2 Ukraine lapel pins.
Posted by tigger1
Member since Mar 2005
3476 posts
Posted on 2/5/23 at 1:07 am to
The numbers are not correct.


Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
15640 posts
Posted on 2/5/23 at 1:08 am to
quote:

If these are real numbers provided by Mossad and not some sort of war propaganda


I’ll check with them the next time they try to sell me Dead Sea Salts when I’m walking around the mall.
Posted by Goonie02
Member since Dec 2019
2478 posts
Posted on 2/5/23 at 1:57 am to
that Von Der Lying twat from Germany said more than 100K dead Ukrainians a few months back. you can guarantee that number has doubled since.
Posted by LuckyTiger
Someone's Alter
Member since Dec 2008
45160 posts
Posted on 2/5/23 at 2:41 am to
quote:

RUSSIA

quote:

18,480 dead


Believable.

Estimates range wildly, with Russia’s official number around 6K, Ukraine officially claiming 111K dead Russians. The US claimed 15K dead last May and 25K dead last August.

Most of the less propagandist sources, like Moscow based iStories and Tbilisi based Conflict Intelligence Team, estimate between 10K and 15K dead Russians.

quote:

UKRAINE

quote:

157,000 Dead


Maybe a little high. Likewise, most less propagandist sources estimate around 100K dead Ukrainian soldiers and 40K dead Ukrainian civilians.
Posted by LuckyTiger
Someone's Alter
Member since Dec 2008
45160 posts
Posted on 2/5/23 at 2:45 am to
quote:

Israel is not pro-Russia as far as I know.

Correct.
Posted by 2020_reVISION
Richmond,VA
Member since Dec 2020
3031 posts
Posted on 2/5/23 at 3:14 am to
quote:

100% photographically verified


Photographed & verified by who?
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