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Losses in Ukrainian War
Posted on 2/4/23 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 2/4/23 at 10:49 pm
The numbers below are supposedly provided by Mossad intelligence. Some people with knowledge state the same numbers are going the rounds in both intelligence and diplomatic circles. These numbers also match with Col MacGregor numbers. Of course, Mossad could be his source.
Hard to know for sure.
If these are real numbers provided by Mossad and not some sort of war propaganda, the Ukrainian losses are enormous and substantially higher than Russia losses in all categories. Also notable are the low number of Rus POWs. Again if true, it makes me wonder how the Ukrainian army is maintaining morale.
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As the first year of the Russia-Ukraine war is approaching, the war losses claimed by Israeli intelligence reveal the terrible dimensions of the war.
Allegedly, the field data of January 14, 2023, based on Israeli intelligence, is listed as follows:
RUSSIA:
Russian losses in the field with 418 thousand soldiers (plus 3,500,000 reservists) and a growing number of Wagner mercenaries :
23 Planes
56 Helicopters
200 (S)IHA
889 Tanks and armored vehicles
427 Howitzer (Artillery systems)
12 Air defense system
18,480 dead
44,500 Injured
323 Captive
UKRAINE:
The casualties of Ukraine , which was on the ground with 734 thousand soldiers (plus 100 thousand reserve soldiers) and NATO officers, soldiers and mercenaries, are as follows:
302 Aircraft
212 Helicopters
2.750 (S)IHA
6,320 Tanks and armored vehicles
7.360 Howitzer (Artillery systems)
497 Air defense system
157,000 Dead
234,000 injured
17,230 Captive
234 Dead – NATO military trainers (US and UK)
2,458 Dead – NATO soldiers (Germany, Poland, Lithuania, ...)
5,360 Dead – Mercenaries
Hard to know for sure.
If these are real numbers provided by Mossad and not some sort of war propaganda, the Ukrainian losses are enormous and substantially higher than Russia losses in all categories. Also notable are the low number of Rus POWs. Again if true, it makes me wonder how the Ukrainian army is maintaining morale.
LINK
As the first year of the Russia-Ukraine war is approaching, the war losses claimed by Israeli intelligence reveal the terrible dimensions of the war.
Allegedly, the field data of January 14, 2023, based on Israeli intelligence, is listed as follows:
RUSSIA:
Russian losses in the field with 418 thousand soldiers (plus 3,500,000 reservists) and a growing number of Wagner mercenaries :
23 Planes
56 Helicopters
200 (S)IHA
889 Tanks and armored vehicles
427 Howitzer (Artillery systems)
12 Air defense system
18,480 dead
44,500 Injured
323 Captive
UKRAINE:
The casualties of Ukraine , which was on the ground with 734 thousand soldiers (plus 100 thousand reserve soldiers) and NATO officers, soldiers and mercenaries, are as follows:
302 Aircraft
212 Helicopters
2.750 (S)IHA
6,320 Tanks and armored vehicles
7.360 Howitzer (Artillery systems)
497 Air defense system
157,000 Dead
234,000 injured
17,230 Captive
234 Dead – NATO military trainers (US and UK)
2,458 Dead – NATO soldiers (Germany, Poland, Lithuania, ...)
5,360 Dead – Mercenaries
Posted on 2/4/23 at 10:58 pm to Tigers2010a
Wait. Did you just suggest that the Mossad doesn't engage in propaganda or disinformation?
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:01 pm to Tigers2010a
Ukraine has lost more than 1/4 of its standing active duty forces to KIA, while Russia has lost about 4% of theirs.
How about another $70B!!
How about another $70B!!
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:03 pm to BeepNode
No he did not. Quite the opposite. hahahahahahahahahahaah
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:04 pm to BeepNode
quote:
Did you just suggest that the Mossad doesn't engage in propaganda or disinformation?
Without a doubt. However Israel is not pro-Russia as far as I know.
One reason I posted this info is because of the scarcity of public information on losses and even numbers of POWs from the war. The numbers also match up with Col MacGregor who is paying serious attention to the conflict. Considering the war is primarily an artillery war and the massive artillery advantage of the Rus army, the numbers could be good. If the numbers are good, I do wonder how the Ukr army maintains morale.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:10 pm to Tigers2010a
This can’t be correct, because all the Biden voters were told differently by CNN. And CNN never lies.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:12 pm to Tigers2010a
One other important data point are the numbers in the field. I assume the Rus army at 418,000 in the field is strictly the fighting force battling along the south front and doesn't include the other 2 major uncommitted Rus army concentrations east of Kharkiv and w/i Belarus.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:13 pm to Tigers2010a
The West enabled all of that death and destruction by pushing for war instead of pushing for negotiations.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:16 pm to Tigers2010a
quote:those numbers are ridiculously low on the Russian side. Oryx has vastly higher equipment losses than that, 100% photographically verified. They have lost over 1600 just tanks minimum, these guys saying 800 for all armored vehicles? 69 fixed wing aircraft minimum, 75 helicopters minimum. Looks like Russia propaganda downplaying their losses
The numbers below are supposedly provided by Mossad intelligence
This post was edited on 2/4/23 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:19 pm to Landmass
quote:
The West enabled all of that death and destruction by pushing for war instead of pushing for negotiations.
If there had been no color revolution, I doubt this war would have occurred. If the Minsk agreement had been carried out in good faith, no war. If Ukraine had agreed to stay out of NATO, no war. Many steps to reach this disastrous war.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:22 pm to Tigers2010a
Wow, these numbers are way off if you listen to the MSM or the Ukrainian version of Baghdad Bob. He just released info with 130,000 Russian KIA.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:28 pm to narddogg81
quote:
those numbers are ridiculously low on the Russian side. Oryx has vastly higher equipment losses than that, 100% photographically verified.
The accuracy of the report would be dependent on the methods used to gain the info. Mossad and every other intelligence organization is working to produce the best possible conclusions. But nobody is giving those numbers out until this appeared. So who knows.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:43 pm to Tigers2010a
quote:Who would want to volunteer when some pimply-faced kid fresh out of high school can take you out with a drone grenade.
5,360 Dead – Mercenaries
Posted on 2/5/23 at 12:21 am to Tigers2010a
I better start wearing 2 Ukraine lapel pins.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 1:07 am to Tigers2010a
The numbers are not correct.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 1:08 am to Tigers2010a
quote:
If these are real numbers provided by Mossad and not some sort of war propaganda
I’ll check with them the next time they try to sell me Dead Sea Salts when I’m walking around the mall.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 1:57 am to Tigers2010a
that Von Der Lying twat from Germany said more than 100K dead Ukrainians a few months back. you can guarantee that number has doubled since.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 2:41 am to Tigers2010a
quote:
RUSSIA
quote:
18,480 dead
Believable.
Estimates range wildly, with Russia’s official number around 6K, Ukraine officially claiming 111K dead Russians. The US claimed 15K dead last May and 25K dead last August.
Most of the less propagandist sources, like Moscow based iStories and Tbilisi based Conflict Intelligence Team, estimate between 10K and 15K dead Russians.
quote:
UKRAINE
quote:
157,000 Dead
Maybe a little high. Likewise, most less propagandist sources estimate around 100K dead Ukrainian soldiers and 40K dead Ukrainian civilians.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 2:45 am to Tigers2010a
quote:
Israel is not pro-Russia as far as I know.
Correct.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 3:14 am to narddogg81
quote:
100% photographically verified
Photographed & verified by who?
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