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re: Libertarian's job is to give Democrats the wins

Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:33 pm to
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35686 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:33 pm to
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When Republicans become conservative, I will listen

Neither party, nor any administration/government in the United States has been 'conservative' in at least a century.

Just so you understand that you are eschewing pragmatic voting in favor of utopian fantasy.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35686 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:34 pm to
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It isn't that amazing.


I think it is. Any amount of thinking leads one to the obvious conclusion that our system of elections/government effectively prevents there from being more than two major parties. It amazes me that so many seemingly intelligent people cannot grasp that.

There is a reason there has always only been two (with limited exceptions that do not last beyond a single cycle)
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 3:36 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295687 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:35 pm to
All we heard for 4 years was handwringing about the uniparty, and the sellouts are back supporting it.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21794 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:37 pm to
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My issue is why is it that every race is Democrat/Republican/Libertarian?

Because Libertarians are used by Dems. Hell, Dems help fund Libertarian candidates all the time.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:38 pm to
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Any amount of thinking leads one to the obvious conclusion that our system of elections effectively prevents there from being more than two major parties.


Whether it's intentional or not, refusing to engage in thought is what prevents growth from two parties.

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It amazes me that so many seemingly intelligent people cannot grasp that.


It isn't a lack of understanding. It's recognition of mass stupidity and an active decision to not participate in it.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35686 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:40 pm to
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It's recognition of mass stupidity and an active decision to not participate in it.

Which, in and of itself, is stupid.

Participating in such a way as to actually impact the outcome is the solution. Not throwing your hands up in a sanctimonious desire to feel principled.

We have big tent parties, we have always had big tent parties, and unless the Constitution is amended we will always have big tent parties. Choosing the lesser of two evils is the way that it is.

Pretending that anything else is possible within our system is absurd and self-defeating.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 3:42 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:41 pm to
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Which, in and of itself, is stupid.

Participating in such a way as to actually impact the outcome is the solution. Not throwing your hands up in a sanctimonious desire to feel principled.


You not recognizing yourself as the root cause of the stupidity doesn't extend to anyone but you.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14674 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:42 pm to
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Republicans will never change otherwise.


Republicans will never change, regardless. It's like libertarians refuse to admit or accept we are in self-preservation mode. We have the marxist democrat party that has completely succumbed to the leftist/socialist onslaught.

We have marxist democrats fixing elections, using the IRS to target citizens, using the DOJ, the FBI and the FISA court to target presidential candidates, using the FBI to target citizens every single day, using the ATF to restrict and violate constitutional rights, using city and state governments to restrict and violate constitutional rights, and now using private companies to restrict and violate constitutional rights.

And then we have libertarians advising us to stick to our principles, even if it gets more marxists elected. Hopefully they stick your principles in your breast pocket before they line you up against a wall and shoot you for not sufficiently supporting the marxist/communist agenda. Useful idiots.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35686 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:43 pm to
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You not recognizing yourself as the root cause of the stupidity doesn't extend to anyone but you.


I don't even understand what that is supposed to mean. Voting for Republicans over Democrats is not the root cause of the issue.

The root cause of the issue is the framework of our elections and legislature. It simply cannot be any other way.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 3:45 pm
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
43910 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:43 pm to
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And yet you help to put democrats in power. Congratulations are in order to you as well.



I've never voted or donated to a Democratic Party candidate in my lifetime. As Roger stated, start running more candidates like Massie and Paul then I'll start voting for them. Too bad those guys are the exception and not the rule.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:44 pm to
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I don't even understand what that is supposed to mean.


I'll add this to the "not that amazing" list.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21794 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:45 pm to
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Vote your principle.

Republicans will never change otherwise.

The trump wing of the party is big gov, big spending. You want me to support shite I don't believe in. frick that

So sit by and let the Left takeover. That'll get you smaller government, for sure. Brilliant!
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:45 pm to
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Useful idiots.


If the best you can do is blame voters for refusing to support garbage candidates, you're the problem, not the voters.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35686 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:45 pm to
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I'll add this to the "not that amazing" list.

Mmk.
Posted by m2pro
Member since Nov 2008
29644 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:45 pm to
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Trumpites and progressives are two sides of the same coin.



That is such a stupid line of thinking that I cannot really believe you would say this out loud. Progressives are not the same as Trumpsters. They're not remotely comparable.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21794 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:46 pm to
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I've never voted or donated to a Democratic Party candidate in my lifetime. As Roger stated, start running more candidates like Massie and Paul then I'll start voting for them. Too bad those guys are the exception and not the rule.

Why are Massie and Paul registered Republicans and not Libertarians?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295687 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:51 pm to
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Why are Massie and Paul registered Republicans and not Libertarians?


You people hate them

I remember when this wasn't true. Most on this board pretended to be libertarian leaning conservatives. Now, all you have to offer is "we're not the other guy."

Great salesjob.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:52 pm to
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two sides of the same coin
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That is such a stupid line of thinking that I cannot really believe you would say this out loud. Progressives are not the same as Trumpsters. They're not remotely comparable.




Is this real?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295687 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:53 pm to
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d progressives are two sides of the same coin.


That is such a stupid line of thinking


Yep, right wing populism is so fricking different than left wing populism.

Remember the uniparty? Good times. When Trumpites were loathing the Republican party.

You people were frauds.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35686 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:53 pm to
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Why are Massie and Paul registered Republicans and not Libertarians?


Because they understand reality.
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