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Liberals on-board with nuclear now? Better be - the game may have just changed.

Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:08 am
Posted by captainFid
Vestavia, AL
Member since Dec 2014
4676 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:08 am
Bit of a tease, I know. [Disclaimer: I work for the power company but don't speak for them, just me].

I suspect most don't care how our electricity is produced: natural gas, hydro, solar, wind even [dirty word] coal.

And I understand people just don't want a nuclear plant in their backyard.

But from the ghosts of ' Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons (wiki)' comes a game changer:

Nuclear Fusion Breakthrough Confirmed: California Team Achieved Ignition (newsweek)

And unlike Pons-Fleischmann, this was performed last year and now peer-reviewed.

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Nuclear fusion is the process that powers the Sun and other stars: heavy hydrogen atoms collide with enough force that they fuse together to form a helium atom, releasing large amounts of energy as a by-product. Once the hydrogen plasma "ignites", the fusion reaction becomes self-sustaining, with the fusions themselves producing enough power to maintain the temperature without external heating.
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In this latest milestone at the LLNL, researchers recorded an energy yield of more than 1.3 megajoules (MJ) during only a few nanoseconds. For reference, one MJ is the kinetic energy of a one tonne mass moving at 100mph.
quote:

"It is extremely exciting to have an 'existence proof' of ignition in the lab," Hurricane said in a statement. "We're operating in a regime that no researchers have accessed since the end of nuclear testing, and it's an incredible opportunity to expand our knowledge as we continue to make progress."


Don't know if it will change the energy landscape during our lifetime but it's an exciting announcement and I'm glad it's the result of domestic research.

You'll know there is an impact to our political climate when Al Gore and Bill Gates start investing in this development and buying up rights. You also know they'd embrace like the devil, it if the conservatives were to criticize the technology.


Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:11 am to
The problem with nuclear is the same with any industry; the crooked fricks that care more about $$$$ than doing it right and safe. As much as I hate Government regulations, we need for there to be the very real possibly of criminal charges for everyone that puts the people in danger.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50256 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:12 am to
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Don't know if it will change the energy landscape during our lifetime but it's an exciting announcement and I'm glad it's the result of domestic research.


I hope it does. Nuclear is the only viable clean energy.

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You'll know there is an impact to our political climate when Al Gore and Bill Gates start investing in this development and buying up rights. You also know they'd embrace like the devil, it if the conservatives were to criticize the technology.


Not sure why conservatives would criticize it.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
15015 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:12 am to
Nuclear fusion requires a lot of sustained heat. Think sun and the need for a fission device to set off a hydrogen fusion reaction. It's probably a long, long way out.
Posted by NeilBS
Member since Nov 2019
480 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:15 am to
Fusion would be great and they've been trying for decades, and let's hope it can work some day, but ...

1.3 megajoules is 0.36 kilowatt-hours, so just a few cents worth of energy. They probably put in a lot more energy, and much more money, to get that output.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:16 am to
Did you ignore the article?
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51885 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:17 am to
Meh. Wake me when they can contain a sustained reaction, generating more power than they put into it to create the conditions.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38230 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:24 am to
Obviously
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
11872 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:25 am to
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Don't know if it will change the energy landscape during our lifetime but it's an exciting announcement
It won't be. There is a small scale model being built in Europe to test sustained fusion.
It took nearly 20 years to design, fund, and approve, and it will take 5 years to build.
Even so, it won't generate nearly the energy needed to power a country.
We are probably 50-100 years away.

The problem with fusion, is the amount of force required to compress and maintain the reaction. The sun has massive gravity, we have massive electromagnetic forces. Obviously not the same method, thus complicating the problem.

Truthfully, fission is absolutely safe and easily our best source of clean power.
We still should pursue fusion research and development. But we already have an effective nuclear energy technology.
Posted by Mitlands
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:29 am to
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Not sure why conservatives would criticize it.


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Posted by boxcar willie
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:45 am to
Really we just need to get on the ball of building some new regular nuclear power plants until this new technology is perfected. We've fallen way behind other countries in building nuclear power plants. It's the one clean energy that actually works well right now.
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:46 am to
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Really we just need to get on the ball of building some new regular nuclear power plants until this new technology is perfected. We've fallen way behind other countries in building nuclear power plants. It's the one clean energy that actually works well right now


Preach!
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:51 am to
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In this latest milestone at the LLNL, researchers recorded an energy yield of more than 1.3 megajoules (MJ) during only a few nanoseconds.


I’m pretty sure this is not the first time. Creating nuclear fusion for very short periods of time has not been the issue. The issue is sustaining the reaction.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:55 am to
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Fusion would be great and they've been trying for decades, and let's hope it can work some day, but ...


we understand the science completely,

it's just a matter of engineering at this point
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:57 am to
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Nuclear Fusion Breakthrough Confirmed: California Team Achieved Ignition (newsweek)
Posted by TigerAttorney
Member since Nov 2017
3799 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:57 am to
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Really we just need to get on the ball of building some new regular nuclear power plants until this new technology is perfected. We've fallen way behind other countries in building nuclear power plants. It's the one clean energy that actually works well right now.

For the life of me I don’t know why we don’t just continue to perfect nuclear energy. Figure out a safe disposal where the environment idiots don’t freak out.

We had navy ships in the 60’s powered by nuclear reactors. It’s 2022 I think we can do it a little better now.

Oh yeah, there’s more money to be made on windmills and solar panels that don’t produce shite so you need an infinite amount of them. Never ending gravy train.
This post was edited on 8/14/22 at 8:59 am
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
1751 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 9:01 am to
I too believe nuclear to be the only long term sustainable and reasonable energy source. I however plan to live far away from any fission generation station.

If automated safeties ever fail, I personally do not have confidence anyone at those power plants will have the knowledge, experience, problem solving skills, a sense of urgency, and the courage to stop a meltdown. If there isn’t a procedure and a checklist, the task will not get done. Nuclear power engineers are some of the worst engineers I’ve met - I’d say that industry has the largest gap between the competent and incompetent.

The very few really smart guys are going to have to build an idiot-proof fusion plant design that doesn’t take 15 years to build and go 20 times over budget.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 9:06 am to
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Nuclear fusion requires a lot of sustained heat.


yep. article I saw yesterday says "billion" degrees in their uc-Berkeley gadget.
Posted by Von
Wichita Falls, TX
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 9:22 am to
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We had navy ships in the 60’s powered by nuclear reactors. It’s 2022 I think we can do it a little better now.

Oh yeah, there’s more money to be made on windmills and solar panels that don’t produce shite so you need an infinite amount of them. Never ending gravy train.


Yep. Prices for existing reliable energy sources are being intentionally inflated by reducing supplies and we're being forced to accept tech that won't meet demand, the hardware isn't recyclable and there's a finite supply of minerals for and not upgrading the power grid.
Bastards. I think they're slow rolling fusion until there's not so many of us they need to supply power for.
Posted by NeilBS
Member since Nov 2019
480 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 9:23 am to
This is old news BTW. It was announced a year ago National Ignition Facility experiment puts researchers at threshold of fusion ignition and there were plenty of articles/discussions following that.
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