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Lsujacket66
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Liberals are REALLY worried about the success of the anti abortion movement
Red states are kicking it in high gear to pass heart beat bills, without fear of Roe with a more conservative Supreme Court, and it has liberals freaking out. This article is delicious

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ShortyRob
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re: Liberals are REALLY worried about the success of the anti abortion movement
I personally think that politically speaking the heartbeat bills are the wrong tactic to take right now

The left has opened itself up to an enormous weakness and conservative should have attacked them on that ground.

Namely conservatives should be pushing hard on born alive bills and third trimester bills. Especially bills that specify that the only exceptions in the third trimester are physical repeat physical health or life of the mother or definitive non-viability.

That's what I would have directed if I was an important advisor for republicans.

Because today I think Democrats are just dumb enough to expose themselves even more than they already have in these areas
This post was edited on 4/15 at 4:45 am


GeeOH
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re: Liberals are REALLY worried about the success of the anti abortion movement
Nah....you always fight and do whats right


ShortyRob
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re: Liberals are REALLY worried about the success of the anti abortion movement
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Nah....you always fight and do whats right


You fight to win. if your goal is to do what's right you have to win the fight.

Just like a boxer has to land several jabs before he can hope to land of the big right hook you have to weaken your opponent.

And more to the point you have to expose your opponent's weakness. Throwing the big right hook and getting knocked out isn't doing what's right.

The left has exposed itself as basically being for infanticide. Expose them more. For decades they have hidden behind half-truths about non-viability and conflated physical health with mental health in an effort to hide what they really support.

You want to get to where you're doing what's right? Pull the rug out from under their bull shite position


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re: Liberals are REALLY worried about the success of the anti abortion movement
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Especially bills that specify that the only exceptions in the third trimester are physical repeat physical health or life of the mother or definitive non-viability.
there shouldn’t be any exceptions that late into it


ShortyRob
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re: Liberals are REALLY worried about the success of the anti abortion movement
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e shouldn’t be any exceptions that late into it


I know this. But in politics part of getting across an idea to the less engaged people is to force your opponent to come clean about what they are really for

This debate will not be won by convincing the convinced. It will be won by showing that the left isn't being honest in the first place

The left likes to keep the discussion on things like a clump of cells or the mother's life or it's not viable. They've always tried to hide that the mental health exception basically was a free-for-all and that they supported this free for all

This reality exposes that they don't really care whether the baby is viable or not. They don't really care weather is early term or not

So proposed bills that force them to expose themselves for what they are

Heartbeat bills simply allow them to hide behind the same bull shite lies they've always told


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mauser
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re: Liberals are REALLY worried about the success of the anti abortion movement
Minors getting abortions without parental knowledge has to go.


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AggieHank86
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re: Liberals are REALLY worried about the success of the anti abortion movement
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I personally think that politically speaking the heartbeat bills are the wrong tactic to take right now
Shorty is correct, for several reasons. All of them can be reduced to the maxim that incremental change almost always has a greater chance of permanent success.

First, his analysis of the politics is spot-on.

Second, you will find that MOST supporters of abortion rights (I would estimate 80 percent) will agree with the restrictions he outlines, but will oppose heartbeat bills. Enact probibitions that have broad support, demonstrate that the world does not end, and then work on building consensus for your NEXT step.

Third, SCOTUS will strike-down heartbeat bills with a quickness. Like it or not, even “conservative” judges have a problem with ignoriing stare decisis, and heartbeat bills would survive SCOTUS only if the Justices completely disregard that principle. That simply is not going to happen with this issue at this point in time.
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Ralph_Wiggum
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re: Liberals are REALLY worried about the success of the anti abortion movement
The mistake the left has made is to become pro abortion. Instead of allowing a choice during the first two trimesters it has become in favor of free abortion on demand as some healthcare choice like it's no different than getting a mole removed.

I'm as left as you can get, but they've overreached. They should be advocating for a system of childcare and healthcare that makes getting an abortion a rare but legal occurrence.


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re: Liberals are REALLY worried about the success of the anti abortion movement
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Nah....you always fight and do whats right


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AggieHank86
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re: Liberals are REALLY worried about the success of the anti abortion movement
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Nah....you always fight and do whats right



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re: Liberals are REALLY worried about the success of the anti abortion movement
Credit on that GIF. Couldn't be more perfect.


AggieHank86
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re: Liberals are REALLY worried about the success of the anti abortion movement
The film even gives us the response from abortion opponents to the eventual and inevitable SCOTUS ruling.

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m2pro
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re: Liberals are REALLY worried about the success of the anti abortion movement
They're also terrified of Candace Owens and Blexit.


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Jack Bauers HnK
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re: Liberals are REALLY worried about the success of the anti abortion movement
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there shouldn’t be any exceptions that late into it


This. Once the baby is viable, it has to be “born” either way. An abortion doesn’t just magically make the baby cease to exist. The baby’s body, alive or dead, is going to be born. Killing the baby before birthing it has nothing to do with the health of the mother.


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HubbaBubba
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re: Liberals are REALLY worried about the success of the anti abortion movement
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The mistake the left has made is to become pro abortion
Agree. Holding your nose and being pro-choice for pragmatic reasons is a long way from the current enthusiastic pro-abortion even up to and immediately after live birth stance.


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ChineseBandit58
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re: Liberals are REALLY worried about the success of the anti abortion movement
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The left has opened itself up to an enormous weakness and conservative should have attacked them on that ground.

Namely conservatives should be pushing hard on born alive bills and third trimester bills. Especially bills that specify that the only exceptions in the third trimester are physical repeat physical health or life of the mother or definitive non-viability.

That's what I would have directed if I was an important advisor for republicans.

Because today I think [u]Democrats are just dumb enough to expose themselves [/u]even more than they already have in these areas


/\ THIS /\

DEMOCRATs will never give an inch on ANYTHING that diminishes the power of the almighty abortion-for-all-for-anything dementia.

You could provoke them into defended killing children up to age 10 if you could present it as an 'anti-abortion' movement.

Abortion is their sacred rite in the new DEMOCRAT religion of nihilism


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Mid Iowa Tiger
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re: Liberals are REALLY worried about the success of the anti abortion movement
Reading that article highlights the pro-abortion movements real fear.

Overtime the last few years the electorate is moving more and more pro-life. The evidence is in the states like Ohio which tried the heartbeat bill 10 or So years ago and failed and this year have it on the books. We as a country are slowly awakening to the fact that abortion is infanticide and it scares the hell out of the baby killers.


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McLemore
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re: Liberals are REALLY worried about the success of the anti abortion movement
People not blinded by the most grotesque aspects of statist dogma would assume that the term "terrifying," when it appears in the same headline as "abortion," refers to the bloody and literally inhuman(e) practice itself and not to those citizens who think that practice barbaric and fundamentally incompatible with a free and just society.

Not so with followers or Slate. Not so.


MoLiberty
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re: Liberals are REALLY worried about the success of the anti abortion movement
Conservative minded women are not electing to have abortions en masse.

Liberal filth do.

Why the outrage??

Liberal filth breed liberal filth.

We should encourage MORE liberal filth abortions.



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