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Let's Revisit the Alexa Controversy

Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:17 am
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
16984 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:17 am
I posted about this a day or two ago. Steven Crowder made a video on the 24th where he asked Amazon's Alexa a bunch of politically charged questions like "Who was Muhammed" and "Who was Jesus" and "What is communism." Alexa answered with obviously left-wing propagandized answers.

I posted the video here several days after his video went live and people here asked their Alexa the same questions and got totally different answers. The consensus here was that Crowder made it up and had edited his video to make Alexa give fake answers.

Well, this board weren't the only skeptics as the "conspiracy" theories went viral on the net. Crowder got word people were questioning the authenticity and made a response video where he plays the whole unedited video as shown in his video editor. He also plays videos of other people on Youtube getting the same exact answers.

Crowder's verdict? Amazon saw his video and tweaked the algorithms which is why people now aren't getting the same answers today as they were on the 24th.

Link to his response video: Youtube

Which conspiracy theory do you believe? Did Crowder fake his video? Did his listeners send in their own fake videos too? Or is Amazon the one engaged in a conspiracy by changing the answers after the fact?
This post was edited on 11/29/17 at 11:18 am
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:18 am to
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:18 am to
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Which conspiracy theory do you believe? Did Crowder fake his video? Did his listeners send in their own fake videos too?


Is it possible for you to ask unbiased questions ever?

ETA: @ me for confusing you with your fellow Aubbie fan Aubused
This post was edited on 11/29/17 at 11:33 am
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
38719 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:19 am to
It's pretty obvious.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:19 am to
I think Amazon's responses are dependent upon your search results. Each user's search results are dependent upon their search history. Thus, the responses are more or less individualized. Your search history being different from his resulted in a different answer.

He possibly could have manipulated his search history to influence a certain result.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
29129 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:20 am to
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54202 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:21 am to
quote:

Amazon's Alexa


Definitely a liberal. Just repeats anything she is told.
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8320 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:22 am to
Alexa doesn’t give every person the same answer to the same questions

/controversy
This post was edited on 11/29/17 at 11:23 am
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
16984 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:24 am to
quote:

I think Amazon's responses are dependent upon your search results.


That sounds retarded. If I ask "what is 2+2" I will get different answers based on my "search history?"
Posted by ShreveportHog94
GodBlessAmerica
Member since Nov 2006
6036 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:25 am to
I love to watch Crowder on the Rogan podcast when Rogan repeatedly refers to Crowder as a bitch. Just once I wish he would try to mouth off to Rogan so that I can watch his jawed get kicked off.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:29 am to
I'm sure it's Amazon and I hate Bezos but dammit I'm not giving up that Prime.
Posted by Zahrim
McCamey Texas
Member since Mar 2009
7667 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

That sounds retarded. If I ask "what is 2+2" I will get different answers based on my "search history?"


proof 2+2=/=4

than there is quantium physics that makes a mess of math, so yes it is possible.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68023 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 12:23 pm to
What's the point in owning that crap?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

Crowder's verdict? Amazon saw his video and tweaked the algorithms which is why people now aren't getting the same answers today as they were on the 24th.
So there are the two competing conspiracies:

Amazon Echo
1. Amazon sells a voice-enabledproduct called the Echo, which uses a virtual assistant called Alexa.
3. Amazon launched the Echo on 05/23/15,, the market cap of Amazon was about 205 billion.
4. The market cap of Amazon when Crowder initially posted his video last week was about 571 billion, a 366 billion (279%) increase over 29 months.
5. Voice enabled speakers are growing rapidly, and as of this May Article, the market grew by 129%, year over year, with the Echo accounting for 70.6% of the 35.6 million speakers or about 25.1 million.
6. The Echo was exclusively available in the US/Canada, Germany, and the UK, although it just recently launched in India and Japan.
7. These initial countries have about 333 million Christians (65.4% of population) compared to only about 11 million (2.2% of population).
8. Given religious practices and distribution of wealth, the 333.2 millino Christians are probably far more likely to use the technology than the 11 million Muslims.

Steven Crowder
1. Comedian
2. Christian
3. Conservative
4. Primarily known for his political commentary, most notably for criticizing liberals and secularism.

Crowder's Claim
1. Alexa called Jesus a fictional character but Muhammad a wise profit, which would not only be anti-Christian it would be pro-Muslim.
3. This anti-Christian, pro-Muslim message was a result of the leftist bias of Amazon.
4. Crowder did not fake or manipulate the outcome in anyway.
5. Crowder's evidence for the lack of manipulation is a video of the incident.

Assumptions necessary to back Crowder's claims
1. One of the most successful companies in the history, has decided to directly insult the faith of 2.4 billion Christians worldwide (33% of world population).
2. More specifically, based on the demographic and geographic characteristics of Amazon's primary market's, Christians would represent the vast majority of the the consumer base.
3. Instead Amazon specifically catered to a religion that represents a small minority of its consumer base.
4. Amazon decided to use their agenda on a rapidly growing technology market as they try to not only increase sales but maintain their market share.
5. This anti-Christian, pro-Muslim agenda, either went unnoticed for nearly 29 months by its 20+ million users, or it was just recently programmed.
5. If it was just recently programmed, then Amazon decided to do this right before a biggest shopping days of the year.
6. If it had gone unnoticed for a long time, (or even if recent)somehow the person to finally noticed it happened to be a popular political commentator, whose popularity is based upon criticizing the same agenda he happened to discover here.
7. In order for the video to completely support the lack of manipulation on Crowder's part beforehand, he must have been filming it upon his random discovery.



So for Crowder's claims to be true, then Amazon is ran by or relies on a bunch of incompetent idiots and/or is actively trying to harm its own name and business for some unknown reason AND Crowder is the luckiest political commentator of all time by stumbling upon something that just happens to perfectly fit his commentary.
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
11897 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 2:45 pm to
quote:

I'm sure it's Amazon and I hate Bezos but dammit I'm not giving up that Prime.


You should. You're feeding a traitor to the country. I don't do any sort of business with Amazon.
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
11897 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 2:45 pm to
Anyone using Alexa or Google's device or similar stuff is stupid.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

Anyone using Alexa or Google's device or similar stuff is stupid.
The only way for this statement to not he ironic and hypocritical is from a person who finds all other internet-connected, advanced technology stupid, maybe with the exception of the basic, unavoidable necessities (work email, research, necessary communication). At the very least, that person wouldn’t post on a message board.
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