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re: Lawyers of TD, can employees use any of these arguments to decline the Jab & not be fired?
Posted on 7/24/21 at 4:32 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
Posted on 7/24/21 at 4:32 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
In a nutshell, it basically comes down to what your state laws are regarding termination from employment.
For instance, Colorado is what is called an “at will” employment which means that you can be let go from your employer for any reason (exceptions of course like gender, race, etc). You would have to prove that the employer fired you because of not receiving the vaccine.
So I’m essence, in Colorado, they could cite any reason for letting me go from job performance or attitude. You would have to have explicit evidence showing that they fired you for not receiving the vaccine, which IMHO might be seen by some judges as legitimate too.
Long story short is that there needs to be a Supreme Court Precedent set on this matter.
Not a lawyer, but just like to research stuff like this.
For instance, Colorado is what is called an “at will” employment which means that you can be let go from your employer for any reason (exceptions of course like gender, race, etc). You would have to prove that the employer fired you because of not receiving the vaccine.
So I’m essence, in Colorado, they could cite any reason for letting me go from job performance or attitude. You would have to have explicit evidence showing that they fired you for not receiving the vaccine, which IMHO might be seen by some judges as legitimate too.
Long story short is that there needs to be a Supreme Court Precedent set on this matter.
Not a lawyer, but just like to research stuff like this.
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Posted on 7/24/21 at 5:24 pm to BobABooey
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to delay them from firing you until the midterm elections;
Hard to imagine any sane person that was alive and coherent for the 2020 elections think somehow that the 2022 elections will be any different.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 6:12 pm to Diamondawg
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But, I'm older and long term side effect potentials don't really concern me.
My friend's parents both have metastatic cancer and refused the vaccine.
For most, tribalism and emotion are driving the decisions.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 6:26 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
Seems to me you should be safe to claim a medical exemption because the employer cannot compel you to disclose what your medical condition is that contraindicates vaccination.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 6:28 pm to Norbert
quote:If I had metastatic cancer I would have been gone way before a vaccine. Same with facing a nursing home.
My friend's parents both have metastatic cancer and refused the vaccine.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 6:30 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
Questions:
Are employers, schools, leagues, and the government immune from COVID VAX lawsuits?
What happens if you die after being forced to take non-approved vaccine?
Are employers, schools, leagues, and the government immune from COVID VAX lawsuits?
What happens if you die after being forced to take non-approved vaccine?
Posted on 7/24/21 at 6:58 pm to Diamondawg
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If I had metastatic cancer I would have been gone way before a vaccine
Well, some metastatic cancers are quite treatable, but the drugs leave patients susceptible to infection.
I guess even if you’re terminal, though, maybe you could eek out some more time if you’re less vulnerable to Covid.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 7:04 pm to Norbert
quote:It's about quality of life and not being a burden. If I can't go to the woods, ride my tractor, garden, etc., I don't care to "eek out" more time. I'm comfortable with where I'm going.
I guess even if you’re terminal, though, maybe you could eek out some more time if you’re less vulnerable to Covid.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 7:49 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
No way in hell can they override a religious conviction. They lost that argument even in times of world war (conscientious objectors). Judges have already slapped down church attendance limits with COVID
Posted on 7/24/21 at 7:58 pm to oldskule
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Are employers, schools, leagues, and the government immune from COVID VAX lawsuits?
What happens if you die after being forced to take non-approved vaccine?
I really don't know. If the pharmaceutical companies aren't liable, I'm sure these others aren't either.
I'm sure Smith and Wesson would like to object.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 8:15 pm to Chef Curry
The Moderna vaccine caused a reaction in patients with dermal fillers. If I was facing a mandate to get the vaccine I would get shot up with fillers and claim that the vaccine is contraindicated.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 10:42 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
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I really don't know. If the pharmaceutical companies aren't liable, I'm sure these others aren't either.
There’s a big difference between rolling out an unproven vaccine (pharma company immunity) and forcing someone to take it. People will argue “you can just get another job” - but if the court is just semi-rational, that argument won’t fly.
If roles were reversed and the Left was working against the Trump vaccine being a administered, there’d be lawsuits all over the place filed by Lefty “victims,” but the Right doesn’t like to actually do anything but bitch and get beat.
This post was edited on 7/24/21 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 7/24/21 at 11:39 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
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I feel like a case could be made that people are having to justify their beliefs in order to keep their job and keep the needle out of their arm. If they can't ask me religious questions while hiring, can they do so to justify firing?
I think If you are asking for accommodation based on your beliefs they can ask you about those beliefs. It’s part of a “reasonable” accommodation.
They probably will ask you if you have other vaccinations, and if so, what moral, ethical or religious objection you have to this one specifically.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 12:13 am to boudinman
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They can legally make it a requirement to work for that company. You refuse and you get terminated. Hospital workers told take flu shot, pneumonia shot, Hepatitis B vaccine,etc. There is legal precedent.
Depends on the state, and with regard to Louisiana, not with an emergency use authorization vaccine.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 1:13 am to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
1) If religious objections are categorically excluded, then all bets are off. If a judge is willing to entertain them, personal Christianity would have a leg to stand on. "Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body." (I Co. 6:19-20). It is not for a court or an employer to preempt my 1st Amendment freedom of religion.
2) Informed consent (The Nuremberg Code places a heavy emphasis on this) and there is not a single vaccine maker that can tell of the long term effects. This is an unknown and will be decades in the making even if FDA approved.
3) Who assumes liability if you're 'forced' to take the vaccine as terms of employment and you die? is your insurance company still required to pay life insurance out? Can the vaccine maker or employer be sued for damages?
4) Also, I would think employers assume some burden - have they previously required vaccinations as a term of employment?
2) Informed consent (The Nuremberg Code places a heavy emphasis on this) and there is not a single vaccine maker that can tell of the long term effects. This is an unknown and will be decades in the making even if FDA approved.
3) Who assumes liability if you're 'forced' to take the vaccine as terms of employment and you die? is your insurance company still required to pay life insurance out? Can the vaccine maker or employer be sued for damages?
4) Also, I would think employers assume some burden - have they previously required vaccinations as a term of employment?
Posted on 7/25/21 at 1:19 am to oldskule
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What happens if you die after being forced to take non-approved vaccine?
Good luck proving that.
Haven't you heard? No-one has died from the vaccine.
They all had a pre-existing condition that caused the death. It's true.
Just ask the government
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