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re: King Herod’s 2,000-Year-Old Roman Basilica Uncovered in Ashkelon
Posted on 6/5/21 at 10:24 am to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 6/5/21 at 10:24 am to Roger Klarvin
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Herod wasn’t a good guy based on what we know about him, but it’s a historical smear campaign to assert he murdered a bunch of babies. There’s no historical evidence of that apart from the Bible (as opposed to the rest of his life for which there is extensive evidence). Such an event would have been extensively documented given the Roman occupation at the time and their meticulous, almost over the top detailed documentation for the time. Herod biographers, historians and regional archeologists nearly unanimously consider the event to be fable.
Per this metric...it would seem that the Biblical historical records of that time, would be SCROUPULOUSLY examined by those who believed that the details of their Religion was ESSENTIAL to their eternal salvation. Like today (fraudulent election), the 'Authorities' (Deep State, MSM, Dem Party, Marxist Dupes, et al) can offer and even mandate THEIR Narrative...but the people know the truth.
The people who accepted the writings that referred to Herod's campaign of infanticide, would NOT have let that fly in their, THE Religious Document. Implausible, really.
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Posted on 6/5/21 at 10:25 am to blackrose890
quote:Do you doubt that Joseph, Mary and Jesus went to Egypt as a result of the Magi telling them to do so? They met Herod before they found Jesus. Herod tells them to return to him and tell him where Jesus is so "I too can worship him". They knew that was nonsensical and likely nefarious. Whether Herod carried out the killings is neither here nor there. What, maybe a couple of dozen babies under 2 in the small town of Bethlehem and half of those girls? Joseph feared for the life of his son whether it was a real threat or not. He fled. Herod was killing his own sons, wives and uncles. What would a dozen or so babies mean to someone so evil?
That's you treating the Bible like it's perfectly true just because it's the Bible
Posted on 6/5/21 at 10:47 am to Revelator
Posted on 6/5/21 at 10:53 am to RCDfan1950
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Per this metric...it would seem that the Biblical historical records of that time, would be SCROUPULOUSLY examined by those who believed that the details of their Religion was ESSENTIAL to their eternal salvation. Like today (fraudulent election), the 'Authorities' (Deep State, MSM, Dem Party, Marxist Dupes, et al) can offer and even mandate THEIR Narrative...but the people know the truth.
The people who accepted the writings that referred to Herod's campaign of infanticide, would NOT have let that fly in their, THE Religious Document. Implausible, really.
The event is mentioned only in the Gospel of Matthew, which is believed to have been written between 70 and 110 AD. Virtually every Biblical scholar, Christian and non-Christian alike, agree it was written in this range.
This means that, at a minimum, it was written 70+ years after the event supposedly occurred up possibly over 100 years later. That’s 3-5 generations removed from the events. Literally nobody alive at the time was still around when it was written, and most of the children of those people were also dead. There would have been no meaningful voices to refute anything that was written from that long ago.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 10:54 am to sodcutterjones
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. It’s either the perfect word of God (since God is perfection) or it’s completely false
Dumb Very dumb
Posted on 6/5/21 at 10:58 am to Diamondawg
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What would a dozen or so babies mean to someone so evil?
Incredibly Herod is respected by many Jews, as he rebuilt the Temple in Jerusalem, which was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD and is now the site of the Dome of the Rock, one of the holiest sites in Islam.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 10:58 am to Roger Klarvin
I think that story evolved symbolically from the fact that Herod killed a few of his own sons and if he's willing to do that....
Posted on 6/5/21 at 10:59 am to RCDfan1950
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It's astounding that a Structure of this magnitude, could remain undiscovered all this time.
Now think about how recent 2,000 years ago was in the overall history of mankind. That’ll blow your mind. We basically know nothing about our species past 10-12 thousand years back, yet we’ve been walking around and building shite for a lot longer.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 10:59 am to Revelator
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The Israel Antiquities Authority announced on Monday that archaeologists have discovered
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Earlier excavations conducted by the British in the 1920s
Posted on 6/5/21 at 11:33 am to Mo Jeaux
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The Israel Antiquities Authority announced on Monday that archaeologists have discovered quote: Earlier excavations conducted by the British in the 1920s
Perhaps the British team didn’t realize what they had unearthed?
Posted on 6/5/21 at 11:34 am to Revelator
Well, if Muslims live there those relics will be destroyed because they predate the existence of Mohammed (blessings be up on him).
Posted on 6/5/21 at 11:37 am to RollTide4Ever
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That was never proven.
Here come the atheists, like flies to stink.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 11:43 am to blackrose890
Choose another hobby ....This one stinks ..
It means you don't have a clue and to support your narrative ....Create and regurgitate the crap you read somewhere.
As to Abortion ....
The Romans practiced abortion. In fact Caesar Augustus at one time, tells Roman Men that they have set the empire on path of destruction in forcing abortion and homosexuality
It means you don't have a clue and to support your narrative ....Create and regurgitate the crap you read somewhere.
As to Abortion ....
The Romans practiced abortion. In fact Caesar Augustus at one time, tells Roman Men that they have set the empire on path of destruction in forcing abortion and homosexuality
Posted on 6/5/21 at 11:51 am to junkfunky
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I think that story evolved symbolically from the fact that Herod killed a few of his own sons and if he's willing to do that....
It was pretty clearly an attempt to retroactively fulfill the prophecy in Jeremiah referencing weeping mothers and dead children (I can’t remember the exact verse or quote). IIRC the writer in Matthew actually references this prophecy directly.
We see similar hinges throughout the gospels, where writers discuss events for which no evidence exists (and in some cases we know couldn’t have happened) in order to say that the event fulfilled some OT prophecy. Remember, these writers were intimately familiar with the OT.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 11:53 am to bluedragon
Really? Is it true that overnight bibles acknowledge the innovation and insertion of non-original material?
Would it surprise you that "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" isn't in the oldest manuscripts?
You are beyond ignorant if you think I've done no research in the topics above when it comes to the Bible. And if you're defending a literal reading then in fact you are regurgitating words you read.
Would it surprise you that "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" isn't in the oldest manuscripts?
You are beyond ignorant if you think I've done no research in the topics above when it comes to the Bible. And if you're defending a literal reading then in fact you are regurgitating words you read.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 12:05 pm to blackrose890
There were multiple Herods .....Not a single Herod. Herod was a family. Simply stated ....you must search for the specific history of the King your are referring to.
As to the New Testament. Do not confuse date written with historical proof. The majority of the New Testament with the exception of Revelation ....was written well within the lifespans of the witnesses.
As to the New Testament. Do not confuse date written with historical proof. The majority of the New Testament with the exception of Revelation ....was written well within the lifespans of the witnesses.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 12:07 pm to sodcutterjones
Bible was written by mortal men pumpkin tits
Posted on 6/5/21 at 12:08 pm to Ancient Astronaut
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Would it surprise you that "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" isn't in the oldest manuscripts?
It was written in the Gospel of John ....You need far more intensive study of ancient manuscripts.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 12:15 pm to bluedragon
The earliest book of the NT was probably First Thessalonians which was written around 50 AD. The four gospels were written between 70-110 AD, with estimates varying within that range.
Give the average lifespan of people in the region at the time, it is very unlikely any adult witness to the time of Jesus was involved in writing the gospels. In 70 AD the youngest people who were adults at the time of the events would have been 60-80 years old, and any adult from the time of Jesus’ birth was long since dead. Very few people lived this long.
Only a small subset of Christian scholars still argue that the gospels are eye witness accounts. The evidence against this is strong.
Give the average lifespan of people in the region at the time, it is very unlikely any adult witness to the time of Jesus was involved in writing the gospels. In 70 AD the youngest people who were adults at the time of the events would have been 60-80 years old, and any adult from the time of Jesus’ birth was long since dead. Very few people lived this long.
Only a small subset of Christian scholars still argue that the gospels are eye witness accounts. The evidence against this is strong.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 12:15 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Such an event would have been extensively documented given the Roman occupation at the time and their meticulous, almost over the top detailed documentation for the time
And we have complete Roman records of everyone killed by the authorities, right?
Oh wait, we don't. And killing a fairly small number of people in a small village on the outskirts of the Empire wouldn't even register a blip on the radar. This was a guy who killed multiple members of his own family. And an empire known to have carried out genocides.
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