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Kari Lake and Ron DeSantis seem to be breaking the old RINO trope of having to moderate...
Posted on 10/6/22 at 7:06 am
Posted on 10/6/22 at 7:06 am
To win elections.
We've been told this our whole lives by the Karl Rove types. Republicans can only win if they can appeal to that "soft" R and D voter. We have to use hush tones, and even speak the other sides language, and accept their false premises. Let's not wade into any devisive topics, stick to lower corporate tax rates, and vague messages like "stronger economy" and "more jobs" and talk about supporting the troops, but doing that by sending them to get killed for rich, international central bankers.
Well DeSantis and Lake have attacked them head on. And you could say the same about Trump. Lake is poised to win by +5 or more in a purple state, and DeSantis has turned Florida from purple, to honestly deep red at this point.
Why can't we get more candidates like this across the country? We would paint the map red.
We've been told this our whole lives by the Karl Rove types. Republicans can only win if they can appeal to that "soft" R and D voter. We have to use hush tones, and even speak the other sides language, and accept their false premises. Let's not wade into any devisive topics, stick to lower corporate tax rates, and vague messages like "stronger economy" and "more jobs" and talk about supporting the troops, but doing that by sending them to get killed for rich, international central bankers.
Well DeSantis and Lake have attacked them head on. And you could say the same about Trump. Lake is poised to win by +5 or more in a purple state, and DeSantis has turned Florida from purple, to honestly deep red at this point.
Why can't we get more candidates like this across the country? We would paint the map red.
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Posted on 10/6/22 at 7:09 am to burger bearcat
The left have pulled further left. This is the equal and opposite reaction to that move to the left by the Democrat party.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 7:14 am to tigerpimpbot
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The left have pulled further left. This is the equal and opposite reaction to that move to the left by the Democrat party.
Not really. The right isn't going further right. They're just staying put and not budging
Posted on 10/6/22 at 7:23 am to tigerpimpbot
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The left have pulled further left. This is the equal and opposite reaction to that move to the left by the Democrat party.
Except conservatives by their nature don't change. Liberals have shifted crazy left.
It's crazy times. The Democrats are losing by just saying their viewpoints. This is why they aren't debating anymore.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 7:25 am to burger bearcat
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We would paint the map red.
Negative. You have to remember who controls the voting and it aint the Red side. Trump just got the most votes of any human in the history of the world in any election ever held and you see what that did for the country.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 7:27 am to upgrayedd
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Not really. The right isn't going further right. They're just staying put and not
budging
It has pulled the RINOs further left.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 7:27 am to burger bearcat
You don’t negotiate with terrorists.
You especially don’t negotiate with blue haired gender confused mentally ill terrorists.
You especially don’t negotiate with blue haired gender confused mentally ill terrorists.
This post was edited on 10/6/22 at 7:28 am
Posted on 10/6/22 at 7:28 am to burger bearcat
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DeSantis has turned Florida from purple, to honestly deep red at this point.
That was Trump
Posted on 10/6/22 at 7:30 am to burger bearcat
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Why can't we get more candidates like this across the country?
Just a reminder that tarzana says Kari Lake is the worst candidate ever and that Slobbs is gonna desrroy her
Posted on 10/6/22 at 7:31 am to CDawson
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Negative. You have to remember who controls the voting and it aint the Red side. Trump just got the most votes of any human in the history of the world in any election ever held and you see what that did for the country.
They can only affect the outcome so much. That is why Kati Lake will win this election. If every state ran a DeSantis or Lake type canidate, they'd probably win almost everyone save for a few of the deep blue bastions on the west coast and NE.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 7:54 am to burger bearcat
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Well DeSantis and Lake have attacked them head on. And you could say the same about Trump.
"Could say"? Trump is the only reason we are seeing the change. He was the major pendulum swing in how the Right handles things. It'll take some time to get the conservative fighters in the ranks, but will get there. Especially since so many rinos will stay in their spots forever.
Desantis and Lake both benefited from Trump's term. If it weren't for that both would be squishy. Desantis would have lost his Gvnr run if not for Trump. Lake is a 2 time Obama voter with no real experience running anything, so a big game talker until she proves otherwise.
Jumping on the unapologetic pro-America First traditional values is a winning ticket, since the left keeps getting crazier. This is the current (last) window to bring it hard to the paint, as the patriotic commie hating 80s kids are in the mid 30s-mid 50s sweet spot.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 7:57 am to burger bearcat
Not sure why this is surprising to some. Rush Limbaugh mentioned years ago that true conservatism is appealing and will win more often than not. Those who choose to moderate their views in order to be elected never really had any firm convictions to begin with.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 7:59 am to burger bearcat
I just want competent people running the country. frick left or right and pushing agendas. Desantis has shown to be a competent leader.
lake seems like an opportunist to me. all the switching parties and whatnot she just comes across as someone looking to find the right persona to become relevant.
lake seems like an opportunist to me. all the switching parties and whatnot she just comes across as someone looking to find the right persona to become relevant.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:25 am to burger bearcat
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Why can't we get more candidates like this across the country?
Because they are running for governor of their respective states and do not have to address federal issues.
My fear with DeSantis when he enters the federal election arena is he will go soft on the issues working class Americans care about.
Borders, trade and war.
State politicians do not have to substantively address these issues because they are not state issues. Sure they can attack these issues around the edges (like shipping illegal immigrants to other states) but they NEVER attack these issues head on (like deploying their respective National Guards to close their borders). On the issue of borders for example, Gregg Abbot can deploy the National Guard and block illegal immigration, but he won't. He does not want to have that fight with the federal government but we need that fight IMO.
Unbeknownst to 98% of the country from a federal level we are divided on borders, trade and war. Who are we divided with? The donor class. That is where the donor class makes their money. They make profits on cheap labor, trade giveaways to China and endless war. Their wants and desires are 100% in contradiction to everyday working class Americans.
Working class Americans want higher wages. Reducing labor supply by closing the border does that. Working class Americans want more jobs here. Trade reciprocity does that. Working class Americans do not want their sons' coming home in caskets for some far away war where we are "spreading democracy".
When GOP candidates get removed from the state level and are forced to address these issues, they do it quietly (as much as possible). They would love to address the issue of war quietly but that is really impossible so they propagandize to foment support for war. They give lip service to borders and scream it's the Democrats fault which gives them plausible deniability. And we rarely hear about trade.
These important issues are always obfuscated by social issues. A really good example of this is a few weeks ago when Lindsay Graham came out in support of a national abortion ban. I mean WTF, we just got what the right as wanted for decades a reverse of RvW and Lindsay is pushing the envelope further. He did it to take attention away from other issue they want to keep quiet.
Bottom line: it's easy to run to the right as a governor of a red state but if you are running for president you better go easy on donor class wants of borders, trade and war and that is when otherwise good GOP candidates go soft.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:30 am to upgrayedd
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The right isn't going further right.
True, but the media narrative is that the GOP has veered hard right. Hell, I am more liberal in some respects than I was 20 years ago and I would be labeled a right wing extremist by the MSM. All because I don't believe in killing babies and can clearly see the 2020 election was stolen.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:36 am to burger bearcat
I pray the Kari Lake, Ron DeSantis, and Donald Trump types can only be brought back to the debate table with the use of fair, conservative moderators.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:42 am to ItNeverRains
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You especially don’t negotiate with blue haired gender confused mentally ill terrorists.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:47 am to thetempleowl
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The Democrats are losing by just saying their viewpoints. This is why they aren't debating anymore
That's and avoiding the Trump effect
Desantis and Lake can make people look foolish in an unscripted event. DEMs haven't found people who can snap back. So they rely on the Biden-basement strategy from 2020
Posted on 10/6/22 at 9:05 am to tigerpimpbot
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The left have pulled further left. This is the equal and opposite reaction to that move to the left by the Democrat party.
^^^ This is factual ^^^
For decades, the Left only slowly shifted the middle farther and farther to the left as they slowly listed towards outright socialism. The establishment "Right" was/is complicit.
...but starting later in the Obama years, the Left went full-on radical, and plunged off a cliff into the abyss of progressive insanity. I've said it a bunch of times before and I'll say it again: even Donald J. Trump is (politically) barely to the right of 1990s Bill Clinton. We're now conditioned to think that qualifies as "hardline Right".
If the left hadn't been so sure that Hillary would easily mop the floor with Trump in 2016, they'd have continued to slowly and steadily lull us into communism. But Trump being elected lit a fire under their asses and proved that people were onto their plan, so they basically went ballistic because they felt it was the only way.
Maybe it is too late to stop it. The left is emboldened but clearly they're also in panic mode. I don't understand the panic since they completely control the narrative and the news cycle. I don't know, they're scared of something so maybe there's hope.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 9:07 am to upgrayedd
quote:Dead on.
Not really. The right isn't going further right. They're just staying put and not budging
We are not letting them drag us further to the Left. That is why I love my governor.
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