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re: Kansas teacher wins federal case, will not be forced to use students' preferred pronouns
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:18 pm to squid_hunt
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:18 pm to squid_hunt
quote:Sammy says that effects people!
Feel free to retain your own opinions.
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:20 pm to Jbird
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Sammy says that effects people!
One hopes you aren't so deeply devoted to your religion that it would affect your opinion. Apparently.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:23 pm to squid_hunt
quote:If it does you get to lose your job!
One hopes you aren't so deeply devoted to your religion that it would affect your opinion. Apparently.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:29 pm to Jbird
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If it does you get to lose your job!
Because separation of church and state and freedom of religion mean you can't have a public opinion or expression based on religion.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:30 pm to squid_hunt
Sammy thinks it's freedom from religion.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:34 pm to Jbird
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Sammy thinks it's freedom from religion.
The idea that religion is the only disqualifier for an opinion in government is hilarious and nonsensical.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:34 pm to squid_hunt
quote:Yes sir.
The idea that religion is the only disqualifier for an opinion in government is hilarious and nonsensical.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:37 pm to squid_hunt
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The idea that religion is the only disqualifier for an opinion in government is hilarious and nonsensical.
But they've convinced a lot of morons that it's true, all while drawing a circle around their morality and worldview and calling it "not a religion".
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:37 pm to squid_hunt
That’s just not true.
Representatives of the government are limited in the same way the government is limited.
What’s the point of separation of church and state if government employees can just bring the church as individuals?
Like I said, you have a right to preach and proselytize you faith.
Should teachers be able to do that in their classrooms?
Representatives of the government are limited in the same way the government is limited.
What’s the point of separation of church and state if government employees can just bring the church as individuals?
Like I said, you have a right to preach and proselytize you faith.
Should teachers be able to do that in their classrooms?
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:38 pm to SammyTiger
quote:I bet churches on Federal property are a problem.
What’s the point of separation of church and state if government employees can just being the church as individuals?
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:45 pm to Jbird
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I bet churches Federal property are a problem.
I bet you are missing a word in your abuse response about a typo.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:47 pm to SammyTiger
quote:What are you babbling about? fify all better?
abuse response about a typo.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:48 pm to SammyTiger
quote:assuming I accept all of your premises here and throughout this thread; then THAT case is even more compelling; students cannot be punished or charged with sexual harassment for refusing to use preferred pronouns — the Kansas ruling that protects a teacher would suggest that the speech of teenage boys in Wisconsin cannot be forced, regulated or punished
That’s a completely different case.
Students aren’t public employees. And they are actually forced to be at school.
To rise to sexual harassment the behavior would have to be pretty egregious and beyond using the wrong pronoun
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:54 pm to dcbl
Free speech and free religion are very compelling arguments.
BUT you obviously have different considerations as a public employee.
That’s being said, students aren’t public employees. They’re actually forced to be at school.
So really the conduct would have to be beyond merely misusing a pronoun. They would have to be actually harassing the other student.
You have a right to free speech but you can’t harass your classmates.
My feeling is if these kids were constantly bullying this kid they would lead with that and not merely Using the wrong pronouns
BUT you obviously have different considerations as a public employee.
That’s being said, students aren’t public employees. They’re actually forced to be at school.
So really the conduct would have to be beyond merely misusing a pronoun. They would have to be actually harassing the other student.
You have a right to free speech but you can’t harass your classmates.
My feeling is if these kids were constantly bullying this kid they would lead with that and not merely Using the wrong pronouns
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:12 pm to WPBTiger
I’m glad she won this case.
Someone is going to lose a similar case sometime soon.
The Marxists will not sleep until our nation has been destroyed.
Someone is going to lose a similar case sometime soon.
The Marxists will not sleep until our nation has been destroyed.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:26 pm to SammyTiger
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Representatives of the government are limited in the same way the government is limited.
Have you ever heard of chaplins? Your view is prejudiced and naive. Being a government employee does not mean I give up my civil rights. I cannot impose my beliefs on you using my office or powers, but that doesn't mean my religious beliefs are invalidated in my decision making.
And you are once again deliberately confusing limiting speech with compelled speech. Just because I work for the government doesn't mean you can force me to agree with your politics. I still have rights.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:37 pm to Big Gorilla
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My son had a friend that wanted us to use they/them as her pronouns
Congrats on your son dating a tranny
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:40 pm to squid_hunt
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Have you ever heard of chaplins?
1. They are still limited. They are there to lead services and provide religious guidance for willing service members and generally aren’t allowed to proselytize in the their capacity.
2. You see the difference between a Chaplin, who again is there to provide religious services to soldiers who want them, and a teacher talking to students who can’t leave the classroom?
3. Again, you do voluntary give up certain rights when you take a job. No one is forced to be a public school teacher but you accept the rules and terms of employment. If they conflict so mightily with your beliefs then you maybe need to teach elsewhere.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:49 pm to lsursb
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So, did she prevail because the school had no "official policy" at the time she was fired? If the "policy" would have been in effect, would she have had no recourse other than to go work at a school that did not have a pronoun policy?
Curious to know the answer to that as well because they implemented the policy almost immediately after the fracas.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 3:37 pm to Big Gorilla
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It seemed her mom was more upset about my comments.
f**kin women... who let her arse out of the kitchen...
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