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re: Kansas teacher wins federal case, will not be forced to use students' preferred pronouns
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:49 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:49 am to SammyTiger
quote:That case made it clear that the inquiry would be fact-intensive.
I didn't Decide the case, Alito, Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Kennedy did
I seems to me that the Court will see a significant distinction between (a) those things which the state can PROHIBIT an employee from saying (keep your mouth shut if you disagree) and (b) the ability of the state to force an employee to say something that the employee does not believe (you must actively advocate for a position that you oppose).
But I could be wrong.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 10:59 am
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:49 am to SammyTiger
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I love a judiciary that changes their mind based on whether they like the speech being protected.
Even if that's what happened, you don't like a judiciary that lets their personal opinions determine their decisions? I'll bet Obergefell really bugged the hell out of you.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:51 am to squid_hunt
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I bet you do.
You’re cheering for it buddy.
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Changing your political definitions every five minutes
What?
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doesn't mean your government employer can force others to espouse your political beliefs.
Government employees are extensions of the government. This teacher is also forcing her religious views on her students
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:55 am to SammyTiger
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This teacher is also forcing her religious views on her students
Ahhh the "my perversions trump your religious beliefs so sit there and take it" approach. Nice.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:55 am to SammyTiger
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You’re cheering for it buddy.
Government compelling speech is always bad. Get back to me when I say otherwise. Government employees are individual citizens with rights. Her opinion being based in her religious beliefs does not force her religion on others. Can you get any more backward?
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:57 am to SammyTiger
quote:This is a college professor. (Meriwether v. Hartop, involves plaintiff Nicholas Meriwether, a professor at defendant Shawnee State University (a public university).)
This teacher is also forcing her religious views on her students
HE is simply declining to use "preferred pronouns."
He is not prohibiting other students in the class from doing so.
ETA: wrong case. my bad.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 11:09 am
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:00 am to squid_hunt
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Government compelling speech is always bad.
So you’re against banning of CRT in schools? Teachers should be able to teach LGBT rights if they want to?
Banning that would be bad right?
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Government employees are individual citizens with rights.
How do you separate church and state of every member of the state can just individually assert their church?
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Her opinion being based in her religious beliefs does not force her religion on others.
Her opinion effects how she treats others in her capacity as an government employee.
Is she free to tell her students in class that unless they convert to Christianity they are going to hell?
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:00 am to WPBTiger
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Ricard was reprimanded in April of 2021 for failure to use a student's preferred pronouns, despite the school not having an official policy on preferred pronoun use at the time. The school later implemented various policies on the issue after Ricard was reprimanded.
So, did she prevail because the school had no "official policy" at the time she was fired? If the "policy" would have been in effect, would she have had no recourse other than to go work at a school that did not have a pronoun policy?
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:03 am to SammyTiger
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Her opinion effects how she treats others in her capacity as an government employee.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:04 am to SammyTiger
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So you’re against banning of CRT in schools?
Compelling speech...?
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How do you separate church and state of every member of the state can just individually assert their church?
She is not asserting her church. She is acting in her beliefs.
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Her opinion effects how she treats others in her capacity as an government employee.
Is she free to tell her students in class that unless they convert to Christianity they are going to hell?
Her opinion can be formed any number of ways. Irrelevant. You still don't seem to understand compelled speech. Who'd have thought a leftist would endorse positive rights and be opposed to negative rights?
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:55 am to KAGTASTIC
“Deadnaming” is such horseshite.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:08 pm to WPBTiger
Will the fools in Wisconsin that are illegally harassing middle school boys now so the right thing?
The right thing is to back off AND apologize to those fine young men…
The right thing is to back off AND apologize to those fine young men…
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:08 pm to squid_hunt
If they just prohibited her from using the wrong pronounces and name would that be ok?
But also, you have a rig JT to proselytize you faith. That’s a guaranteed first amendment right.
You can’t do that is a public employee at work.
But also, you have a rig JT to proselytize you faith. That’s a guaranteed first amendment right.
You can’t do that is a public employee at work.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:12 pm to dcbl
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Will the fools in Wisconsin that are illegally harassing middle school boys now so the right thing? The right thing is to back off AND apologize to those fine young men…
That’s a completely different case.
Students aren’t public employees. And they are actually forced to be at school.
To rise to sexual harassment the behavior would have to be pretty egregious and beyond using the wrong pronoun
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:13 pm to Jbird
Why are you laughing. Y’all want to pretend like government employees don’t represent the government.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:13 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Cling to it little lefty cling.
Why are you laughing. Y’all want to pretend like government employees don’t represent the government.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:15 pm to Jbird
It’s a basic fact and understood law that your rights are effected by whether you are acting in the course and scope of your employment for the government.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:16 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Thanks Chief
It’s a basic fact and understood law that your rights are effected by whether you are acting in the course and scope of your employment for the government.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:17 pm to SammyTiger
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How do you separate church and state of every member of the state can just individually assert their church?
If that's how you define separating church and state you can't; ask a secular humanist.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:17 pm to SammyTiger
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Y’all want to pretend like government employees don’t represent the government.
You don't give up your civil rights because you go to work for the government. Feel free to retain your own opinions. Even those developed based on religious beliefs.
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