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BeepNode
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re: Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm
Do people on this board really believe that ERCOT had power it coukd have brought online but chose not to because they were worried about the feds?

Is there anything specific, as far as plant outages that were directly attributable to the feds?


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TheRouxGuru
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re: Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm
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Because I'm not.


I don’t believe you for one second.. Prove it
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cypher
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re: Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm
I'll be surprised if ERCOT weighs in on this. If there was any way they could shift blame to DOE they probably would have already done so. Maybe I'll be proven wrong on this. We'll see.

Going from memory but if I have the numbers right. the request was for an additional 4000 MWh. The outages at the worst were roughly an order of magnitude larger I believe. So it seems like a moot point to begin with.

It's hard to run a plant at full throttle when it's offline due to the weather. However, don't know if the plants that went offline were the same ones that were intended to be run wide open.


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Tchefuncte Tiger
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re: Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm
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Funny how this hasn’t been a blip on the MSM reporting.


That's because Ted Cruz going to Cancun was a more serious offense. Who cares if President* Biden restricted the energy supply to Texas? Cruz must pay, and pay dearly, for the sin of taking his family on vacation.


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TigerBlazer
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re: Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm
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Texas doesn't skirt any federal regulations. They comply to all. Deregulation provided a way for competitive power delivery, that is it.


The ERCOT grid remains beyond the jurisdiction of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, which succeeded the Federal Power Commission and regulates interstate electric transmission.

Bottom line: Texas has its own grid to avoid dealing with the feds.

SOURCE –LINK /

The grid, operated by the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT), is not subject to federal oversight and is largely dependent on its own resources, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

SOURCE – LINK

Texas’ deregulated energy market gives little financial incentives for operators to prepare for the rare bout of intensely cold weather, critics have said for years.

Natural gas wells and pipelines in Texas, the country’s biggest energy-producing state, do not undergo the winterization of those farther north - resulting in many being knocked offline by the prolonged freezing weather


AlwysATgr
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re: Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm
So why was TX asking for permissions to begin with?

It's an insult to Texans that we had to ask for federal permission to sustain our power grid in an emergency.


Cossatotjoe
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re: Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm
Even today, ERCOT is also not completely isolated from other grids — as was evident when the state imported some power from Mexico during the rolling blackouts of 2011. ERCOT has three ties to Mexico and — as an outcome of the "Midnight Connection" battle — it also has two ties to the eastern U.S. grid, though they do not trigger federal regulation for ERCOT. All can move power commercially as well as be used in emergencies, according to ERCOT spokeswoman Dottie Roark.

Texas is so free from federal regulation that it had to ask the feds for permission to produce enough power to keep the lights on.

You can talk about winterizing turbines all you want, but if the weather is bad enough that airports close, turbines will be shutting down. Why? A turbine blade is basically the same thing as an airplane wing. At certain points, no matter what you do that wing is going to get ice buildup and cause problems. With an airplane you lose lift and fall out of the sky. With a wind turbine, you get an imbalance that destroys the motor unless you shut it down.
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Mickey Goldmill
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re: Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm
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So why was TX asking for permissions to begin with?



I don't know enough about the Texas power grid independence, but my take on it is even if they are completely independent from federal regulations on the actual production/running of their power grid, they are still subject to environmental regulations. That's what TX was asking for permission for- to basically get a temporary waiver on the emissions standards.


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AlwysATgr
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re: Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm
I get that Mickey.

It's mostly the previous posting was irrelevant to what's discussed here.

We could not unilaterally up production without first asking 'mother, may I.'


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TigerBlazer
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re: Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm
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You can talk about winterizing turbines all you want, but if the weather is bad enough that airports close, turbines will be shutting down. Why? A turbine blade is basically the same thing as an airplane wing. At certain points, no matter what you do that wing is going to get ice buildup and cause problems.


Its much colder in Canada and ND and Scotland, EVERY winter, yet their wind turbines dont freeze. bc they have warming equipment designed to keep it from freezing. TX was warned 10 years ago that this would happen. They chose not to do it.


Cossatotjoe
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re: Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm
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Its much colder in Canada and ND and Scotland, EVERY winter, yet their wind turbines dont freeze. bc they have warming equipment designed to keep it from freezing. TX was warned 10 years ago that this would happen. They chose not to do it.


No, it seldom is much colder and snowier in Canada and Scotland than it was in Texas last week and when Canada and Scotland get that kind of weather, their turbines shut down too.


texridder
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re: Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm
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Texas DID NOT choose to have a separate grid to skirt federal regulations.

Not true.
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The Texas Interconnected System — which for a long time was actually operated by two discrete entities, one for northern Texas and one for southern Texas — had another priority: staying out of the reach of federal regulators. In 1935, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Federal Power Act, which charged the Federal Power Commission with overseeing interstate electricity sales. By not crossing state lines, Texas utilities avoided being subjected to federal rules. "Freedom from federal regulation was a cherished goal — more so because Texas had no regulation until the 1970s," writes Richard D. Cudahy in a 1995 article, "The Second Battle of the Alamo: The Midnight Connection."
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Bottom line: Texas has its own grid to avoid dealing with the feds.
https://www.texastribune.org/2011/02/08/texplainer-why-does-texas-have-its-own-power-grid/


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Trevaylin
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re: Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm



Micky Goldmill is the sane person in this conversation. Infowars is trouble.


ERCOT screwed up big time. Firing the board is a great first step

every significant operating facility has to follow a wide range of Federal, State and Local regulations. When everything falls apart the facility has to have very good management to rectify the situation where regulations are not appropriate.


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bigDgator
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re: Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm
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Funny how this hasn’t been a blip on the MSM reporting.


frick those hippies.


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TigerBlazer
Member since Aug 2016
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re: Joe Biden’s Dept. of Energy Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Enduring Storm
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No, it seldom is much colder and snowier in Canada and Scotland than it was in Texas last week and when Canada and Scotland get that kind of weather, their turbines shut down too.


Absolutely not true. THey have warming equipment to keep them going. Alberta has temperatures in January and February daytime 23 to 5°F & can drop as low as -22 to -40°F at night. Much colder than TX.

THey also employ helicopters to de-ice the blades to keep them running efficiently

Winterizing can keep wind turbines going in cold temperatures, down to -22ºF
In TX it got down to -16 with wind chill.


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