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Japan's 'reclusives'
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:13 am
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:13 am
Watched a fascinating report about self isolated people in Japan called Hiki Kamoray (spelling it phonetically). English translation is roughly 'the reclusives'.
Their motivation was not virus. They've been a growing population for years. 30,000 of these people are found dead in their tiny apartments every year. Some commit suicide but most just die earlier than normal due to depression and rapidly declining health.
They are not hoarders living in garbage. They keep neat but minimalist living quarters. The connection to the virus problem is that experts on this condition warn that normal people who are now being encouraged to seclude themselves could develop depression if this lasts too long. People need socialization. Heck, they need to see sunlight. When the Hiki Kamoray are cured and return to the outside world their number one problem is sunlight. It hurts their eyes because they haven't seen it in 10 years.
Their motivation was not virus. They've been a growing population for years. 30,000 of these people are found dead in their tiny apartments every year. Some commit suicide but most just die earlier than normal due to depression and rapidly declining health.
They are not hoarders living in garbage. They keep neat but minimalist living quarters. The connection to the virus problem is that experts on this condition warn that normal people who are now being encouraged to seclude themselves could develop depression if this lasts too long. People need socialization. Heck, they need to see sunlight. When the Hiki Kamoray are cured and return to the outside world their number one problem is sunlight. It hurts their eyes because they haven't seen it in 10 years.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:19 am to auggie
They explained it. People in Europe and the US value individuality. You get self worth from within. People in Japan do not value individuality. They value how well you function within the group. If you do poorly at being accepted by the group you have no self worth and you withdraw.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:21 am to Zach
I would think that many of these people have “issues “ to begin with, if they make that choice to self-isolate.
This post was edited on 4/6/20 at 9:22 am
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:21 am to Zach
I'll explain it too.
The Japanese are weird.
The Japanese are weird.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:24 am to Zach
I’m avoiding large crowds not the sun.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:24 am to auggie
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Japanese are weird.
Some kinky sex shite too... very kinky...
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:25 am to Zach
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People need socialization
Not everyone
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they need to see sunlight
I get plenty of that
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:26 am to Zach
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They value how well you function within the group.
Dr. Deming conditioned their minds and they ran with it...
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:27 am to oauron
Thanks for the link. Boy did I guess wrong on the spelling.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:27 am to Wtodd
quote:Normal individuals do need some level of socialization. If someone needs literally no socialization whatsoever(No phone calls, going to the grocery store, talking or interacting with any human or animal at all) they have mental problems.
Not everyone
This post was edited on 4/6/20 at 9:29 am
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:29 am to Zach
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The connection to the virus problem is that experts on this condition warn that normal people who are now being encouraged to seclude themselves could develop depression if this lasts too long. People need socialization. Heck, they need to see sunlight. When the Hiki Kamoray are cured and return to the outside world their number one problem is sunlight. It hurts their eyes because they haven't seen it in 10 years.
I've also seen concerns that many people could develop agoraphobia or other social phobias.
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Typical agoraphobia symptoms include fear of:
Leaving home alone
Crowds or waiting in line
Enclosed spaces, such as movie theaters, elevators or small stores
Open spaces, such as parking lots, bridges or malls
Using public transportation, such as a bus, plane or train
I could see how this specific situation could cause some strange social phobias like this.
Mayo Clinic
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:29 am to Henry Jones Jr
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Normal individuals do need some level of socialization. If someone needs literally no communication whatsoever, they have mental problems.
Yeah, that's why solitary confinement in prison was so dreaded.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:31 am to Henry Jones Jr
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Normal individuals do need some level of socialization
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some level
is the key and it's subjective
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:48 am to The Maj
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Dr. Deming conditioned their minds and they ran with it...
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They value how well you function within the group.
He just hit their zeitgeist G-spot. The issue goes deeper and further back than that.
Read a little about the Meiji Restoration and it will lay some groundwork for how social stratification still drives their high sense of “unhingedness”.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:00 am to Zach
Irrational fear of Godzilla is what is keeping them indoors. Nothing more.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:08 am to Tridentds
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Irrational fear of Godzilla is what is keeping them indoors. Nothing more.
Oh no. They say he's got to go.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:12 am to Saint Alfonzo
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Irrational fear of Godzilla is what is keeping them indoors. Nothing more. Oh no. They say he's got to go.
OK, I gotta tell my favorite true story about Godzilla. The guy who wore the costume in the first Godzilla movie died a couple years ago. I watched his last TV interview when he was old.
He got the job because he was the tallest guy they could find. The suit was bulky and extremely hot under studio lights. He complained to the director.
The director said: 'No problem. We'll let you go and hire another guy.'
His response: "No, no. That's OK. I can handle it. So sorry."
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