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Jake_LaMotta
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re: It's pretty obvious the Left have declared Jihad on the unborn.....

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No dad growing up ?


Dad worked in middle management and my mother stayed home and was able to support 2 kids and put both through college. It is not me I am concerned about. I turned out fine. It is all these kids that will be born into poverty that will be on every single Welfare and Social program known to man and will be future Democrat voters that I am worried about.


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re: It's pretty obvious the Left have declared Jihad on the unborn.....
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I'll back this plan. Free IED's for all progressive females.



A little harsh, don't you think?


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BamaAtl
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re: It's pretty obvious the Left have declared Jihad on the unborn.....
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if I do not wish to increase the welfare state, I am somehow trying to harm children born in to poor families?


Not somehow - you're directly trying to harm children.

Why do you hate children once they're born?


ShortyRob
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Families who can financially support children aren't having abortions.
Well this is just false.

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We know this from statistics.
Actually, we know it's false based on stats. If you mean to say a large portion can't financially support, then you'd be correct.

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We live in a Welfare State already.
Yes

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Supporting 'banning' abortion is only going to increase the demand for the Welfare State

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So, are you for a larger and increased Welfare State to support all these children that will be born to people with little means?

As is typical of liberals, you guys seem to always think that the world tomorrow after a change always meets the following formula.

World tomorrow = Everything exactly the same as now + change

This is always false, yet you guys never learn.

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"They should become financially independent/literate" isn't an answer in the system we have (which isn't changing btw) it is here to stay.
Fortunately, I wasn't going to say that. I am generally fine with the current requirements to qualify for welfare and seek no substantial changes to it at all. If this means more $$ actually spent on welfare, then that's what it will mean.


ShortyRob
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Not somehow - you're directly trying to harm children.

LOL

So, from your perspective, the welfare state should grow...........forever. ALL expansion of it = good? No limit ever?


Jake_LaMotta
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re: It's pretty obvious the Left have declared Jihad on the unborn.....
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As is typical of liberals




Not a 'liberal' or anything close to it.

You can't even see the negative ramifications from banning abortion.

All this is going to do is increase the already out of control and bloated Welfare State. Create hundreds of thousands of children who when grown will vote Democrat at a near 95% clip.

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Well this is just false.


Educated and Professional families aren't having abortions at any meaningful metric. You are a total clown show trying to say otherwise and it shows how out of touch you really are.




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re: It's pretty obvious the Left have declared Jihad on the unborn.....
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Dad worked in middle management and my mother stayed home and was able to support 2 kids and put both through college. It is not me I am concerned about. I turned out fine. It is all these kids that will be born into poverty that will be on every single Welfare and Social program known to man and will be future Democrat voters that I am worried about.


So , butcher a fetus because it can cause a hardship ?

What about personal responsibility ?

With the logic Liberals use for supporting abortion , a Conservative could use that same logic and start terminating illegals because money spent on them cost taxpayers a lot of money.

The only legitimate argument for supporting abortion is because it's legal.

A woman whining "it's my body" is no excuse for butchering a fetus.

The lame Liberal talking point " Conservative don't want to expand social services , so they should like abortion " is so lame.

Conservatives believe abortion is murder.

Conservatives believe in personal responsibility.

Liberals view abortion as a right.

Liberals believe in community responsibility.

That's the difference. The problem with Liberal views is , they want my money for their causes.



Jake_LaMotta
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re: It's pretty obvious the Left have declared Jihad on the unborn.....
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So, from your perspective, the welfare state should grow...........forever. ALL expansion of it = good? No limit ever?


He isn't saying it should grow. He is saying it will grow. There is a huge difference there that you seem to not be able to understand. I will be the first to tell you that expansion of the Welfare State is not good but that is the result we will be getting. That is just reality. There won't be any limits. That isn't the system we have had and it isn't changing.


ShortyRob
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re: It's pretty obvious the Left have declared Jihad on the unborn.....
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You can't even see the negative ramifications from banning abortion.

I said nothing of the sort.

Basically, there's no such thing as a policy that has ONLY good ramifications. So, this wouldn't be the first.

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All this is going to do is increase the already out of control and bloated Welfare State. Create hundreds of thousands of children who when grown will vote Democrat at a near 95% clip.

Well, I think your number is likely over stated, but, yeah, it will probably be more Dems than not.

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Educated and Professional families aren't having abortions at any meaningful metric.
26% of abortions are to people 1 to 2 times the poverty level.

A full 25% are higher than that. And yes, 49% are below poverty level.

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You are a total clown show trying to say otherwise and it shows how out of touch you really are.
Well. I mean, stats bear out exactly what I said. Just sayin.


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ShortyRob
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He isn't saying it should grow. He is saying it will grow.
OK. And, I already stated I'm fine with the current qualifications. So, what are we arguing about?

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There is a huge difference there that you seem to not be able to understand.
Except I specifically acknowledged it.

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That is just reality. There won't be any limits
Well, technically, there are no limits now. Just sayin.......


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Jake_LaMotta
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re: It's pretty obvious the Left have declared Jihad on the unborn.....
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So , butcher a fetus because it can cause a hardship ?

Are you for or against an increasing Welfare State?

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What about personal responsibility ?

This isn't going to happen and the people who are responsible very few of them are getting abortions. It is the people who are not responsible who are getting them and it is a good thing. We don't need more Welfare or Social Programs.

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A woman whining "it's my body" is no excuse for butchering a fetus.

Males really don't have any say in abortion anyway. It isn't their issue or problem and yes it isn't their body.
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Conservatives believe in personal responsibility.

Yes and they only care about that baby being murdered and are against the Welfare and Social State that will be needed to support that child.
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The problem with Liberal views is , they want my money for their causes.


You want more money for their causes by being against abortion. You are doing it for them you idiot. What you are championing is an increased Welfare State and and kids who when they grow up will be voting Democrat nearly 95% of the time because they grew up on a plethora of Welfare and Social programs.


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Not somehow - you're directly trying to harm children.

Why do you hate children once they're born?

So your solution is to murder them before they're born. Nice


Jake_LaMotta
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Except I specifically acknowledged it.


You said you were fine with the current Welfare State. You are not fine for it growing which is exactly what is going to happen. It is literally unavoidable under the scenario you want (banning abortion)


ShortyRob
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re: It's pretty obvious the Left have declared Jihad on the unborn.....
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Jake_LaMotta


Few Quick questions just to see where your mind is at on this.

There seems to be around 600K + abortions in the U.S. per year

Let's pretend somehow, Alabama's new bill were the law of the entire nation.

1. Do you believe this means there will be 600K more births in the following year? If so, why? If not, why not?

2. Would you agree or disagree that the availability of abortion increases carelessness among women who consider abortion a palatable option?

3. If you agree with #2, would you agree that some of those women get pregnant, but then, do NOT get abortions and, those babies end up born to mothers who didn't want to get pregnant?

4. If you agree with 3, then would you acknowledge that absent abortion availability, some of those women would never have gotten pregnant in the first place?


DemonKA3268
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re: It's pretty obvious the Left have declared Jihad on the unborn.....
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Not somehow - you're directly trying to harm children. Why do you hate children once they're born?
Queen Retardina, you have yet to provide any facts on the garbage you are spewing. Care to quit running scared and do that? Everyone knows you can't and won't


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ShortyRob
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re: It's pretty obvious the Left have declared Jihad on the unborn.....
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You said you were fine with the current Welfare State
I said I was fine with current qualification requirements which, by definition means that when fewer qualify, I would expect less spending, and when more do, I would expect more.


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Jake_LaMotta
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re: It's pretty obvious the Left have declared Jihad on the unborn.....
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So your solution is to murder them before they're born. Nice


If you are against Welfare and Social Safety net expansion then yes that is the answer. I don't know a single Conservative that is for more Welfare. Do you?


Jake_LaMotta
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re: It's pretty obvious the Left have declared Jihad on the unborn.....
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Few Quick questions just to see where your mind is at on this.


I have already told you where my mind is at:

We do not need a bigger Welfare State than we already have. We do not need a bigger Social Safety net than we already have. We also don't need 550,000 new Democrat voters being born every year.

The things I listed above are unavoidable under where your mind is at. Do you understand this?


ShortyRob
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re: It's pretty obvious the Left have declared Jihad on the unborn.....
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I have already told you where my mind is at:

Oh come on. I've been answering your stuff.

Don't dodge


ShortyRob
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We do not need a bigger Welfare State than we already have
There's no limit to our current welfare state.

If our economy went to shite tomorrow, welfare spending would go way the frick up.

So, at least do me the respect of answer my questions


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