re: It is impossible to be a devout Catholic and be for abortion

Yes definitely impossible

Foo, I think you and I would both agree that God does not measure sin, missing the mark is missing the mark. Thus Grace.

However, there are certain sins which are not sins of human weakness, but rather sins of conscious decision. Anyone who calls themselves a Christian and makes a conscious decision to destroy (or condone the destruction of) an innocent life incapable of defending itself in any way puts themselves in a precarious situation with respect to eternity. Even Christ said it would be better for such a person to have a millstone placed around their neck and be tossed into the sea for harming such an innocent. He also said that many who called on His name and performed miracles even, would not be recognized by Him on the day of judgement.

For those who do not acknowledge God it may be impossible to recognize that abortion is murder. But for those that call themselves Christians I can only say to them that they will stand before God with the blood of innocents on their hands. I cannot be convinced that they do not know that they are committing a dreadful sin. No claim of ignorance for them.

They may likely hear, "depart from me, I never knew you."

Don’t cut yourself with all that edge bro

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Democrats remove Christianity and Republicans preserve Christianity?
Given the choices, it's a no brainer for a Christian to vote Republican.

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i think you are missing the point here.
all i'm saying is we all know what the democrats are about; socialists/communists, abortionists, etc... anti-God and so much more.

the republicans are filth as well but you will vote for one because dims are filthier still.

i suppose you voted for Romney because Obama is a democrat. what do you think of Romney now?
tell me it's a no brainer to vote for the likes of Mitt Romney because he is a Republican and because he professes to be a Christian.

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Foo, I think you and I would both agree that God does not measure sin, missing the mark is missing the mark. Thus Grace.

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Yep.

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However, there are certain sins which are not sins of human weakness, but rather sins of conscious decision. Anyone who calls themselves a Christian and makes a conscious decision to destroy (or condone the destruction of) an innocent life incapable of defending itself in any way puts themselves in a precarious situation with respect to eternity. Even Christ said it would be better for such a person to have a millstone placed around their neck and be tossed into the sea for harming such an innocent. He also said that many who called on His name and performed miracles even, would not be recognized by Him on the day of judgement.

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I agree with this. The issue I have is that some people honestly don't consider the unborn a "life" that is being taken. I can't fathom that, myself, but many honestly don't believe life begins until later in pregnancy, or even not until birth. At that point, those people would usually be staunch supporters of the lives of babies, toddlers, young kids, etc. The issue, as they see it, is that the Bible isn't clear on when life begins, exactly. Granted, it's likely that they are merely attempting to justify their own desires, or wanting to sympathize with those who have abortions for emotional reasons, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt because there is a level of ignorance at play here for some, mixed with sin.

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For those who do not acknowledge God it may be impossible to recognize that abortion is murder. But for those that call themselves Christians I can only say to them that they will stand before God with the blood of innocents on their hands. I cannot be convinced that they do not know that they are committing a dreadful sin. No claim of ignorance for them.

They may likely hear, "depart from me, I never knew you."

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For those who claim that an unborn child is a human and is alive in the womb (something many "pro-choice" folks don't admit) and yet still support killing it while also claiming to be a Christian, I have serious doubts about their fruits, and thus, their faith. But, I'm not a judge of souls, so I have to call sin for what it is and call sinners to repentance like I have to do to myself each day.

All I'm trying to say is that we should be calling out sin. We should confront professing Christians about sins like abortion. We should be seeking to win them to repentance by showing them that God values the lives of the unborn, and that we should, too. We should be cautioning them that they should work out their salvation with fear and trembling, and to consider their own fruits and whether or not they are reflecting Christ's righteousness, loving what He loves and hating what He hates. And at the same time, we need to recognize that we are not judges over the soul. It's not likely that they belong to churches that actually shepherd the flock of Christ appropriately and administer discipline (Matt. 18) as they ought to confront someone in their sin like this and then treat them like unbelievers if they refuse to repent, but that really is a matter for the church.

In the mean time, I believe that there are people who have been bought by the blood of Christ that will be in heaven that have believed and done some truly horrible, sinful things in their lives, while there will be many (self-)"righteous" professing Christians that will be in hell because they didn't put their trust in Jesus. I believe we should treat everyone with love, even in admonishment and correction, and provide the gospel to everyone, believer and unbeliever, alike.

Who the frick is "for" abortion?

I don't favor abortion but I don't think the government can effectively prohibit it either.

Catholic ethics are super fricked, they won't "let" doctors at their hospitals treat ectopic pregnancy without performing a complete hysterectomy and they don't allow their medical staff to refer women in this situation to hospitals or providers that will treat it appropriately. Catholic and ethics just don't go together.

Hey muh dragonz, haven’t seen your ignorant arse in a while. Hiding from the utter and complete failures by your party?

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AggieHank86

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Hero Hank returning as well! This is truly a red cuck letter day!

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and be for abortion

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No - it’s being for individual choice. I have no desire to impose my beliefs on others.

Abortion for pure convenience is wrong. I can accept abortion in the extreme events of threat of death to the mother, rape, and incest. Otherwise, own your decisions.