re: Islamic behavior based on population size

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Thats like me taking the word of an Obama appointee (back when he was in office) over what I see/saw everyday.

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It's actually nothing like that at all. It became official French policy.

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Do you believe your eyes or what they say?

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False Dichotomy Fallacy. It's sort of like the new dem debate tactic...'Answer yes or no."

Just saw Chris Wallace use that tactic on Limbaugh. Kinda of a telltale of his liberal political leanings.

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Because Islam is a political movement, not a religion. Muhammad was a conqueror, not a holy man.

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You're correct, yet two cowards still downvoted you.

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It's actually nothing like that at all. It became official French policy.

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So if they made a law that mandated everyone buy health insurance and called it "Obamacare", I am sure you would be the first to say "See! They all need it! The govt said so, so it must be so."

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False Dichotomy Fallacy.

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Which was a false choice?

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Absolutely. They (I have relatives in the UK and Germany) tell me that essentially they have issues assimilating, but they laugh at the notion of no go zones.

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Ask them again in 3-5 years......

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They should show up in your research.

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That's the problem. They don't show up. The design of the banlieus in the 60s contributed to the ghettoization, but that ghettoization applied to every one of France's immigrant communities. So the banlieus changed in demographics. First they were full of Spanish and Italian groups, then Mahgrebi's, and now Subsaharan Africans. The banlieu I named, Clichy-sous-Bois, resembles this pattern too. That's not to say that there aren't groups that remain in the banlieus, but that has as much to do with French insistence on isolating these places, as they did with Clichy-sous-Bois until they built a rail or tramcar line ( I forget which). Before, I think there was only one or two roads into the the commune, N403 and N370. Contrast this with St. Denis, a former industrial suburb that is more affluent, with many more infrastructure links to the center of Paris.

I am an ardent Factsoverfeelings guy. 92.5% this is aimed at the left. The issue of these so called no go zones in Europe, is where my friends in the right let emotion trump logic. Without a doubt there is a serious problem with politicized islam, meshing with Liberal Western Culture. But I see people simply suspend their own reasoning and rationality on this subjectx because of the boogeyman aspect of all of this.

This IMO is seperate from the migrant crisis in Europe, where you have an influx of largely uneducated 15-35 yr old men showing up en masse. That is a prescription for an explosive situation regardless of religion. Europe's leaders really sold out their populace on that one, and IMO could be considered treasonous.

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This IMO is seperate from the migrant crisis in Europe, where you have an influx of largely uneducated 15-35 yr old men showing up en masse. That is a prescription for an explosive situation regardless of religion. Europe's leaders really sold out their populace on that one, and IMO could be considered treasonous.

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Thank you for actually realizing the immigration situation and the migrant situation are two different things. Europe's immigrant population was relatively docile until the mid-00's, and the Syrian Civil War compounded the situation for a multitude of reasons. The problem with the migrant situation is that what happens on the Eastern border of the EU will directly affect all the members, as with free movement, it highly incentivizes terrorist networks to use that movement against targets in Western Europe. Germany took the lead in admitting migrants, partly because Merkel understood that the population pressures in the Eastern EU could destabilize the whole union. Diffusing that population pressure was important for saving the EU as a cogent entity.

The problem, ultimately, is that the refugee system is completely broken, and has been broken since 1991. There are more migrants now than ever, and there are groups of people who've lived only in refugee camps that were designed to last only a few months or years. In those camps, finding people with the proper paperwork is hard, and because it is difficult to obtain paperwork, it again incentivizes migrants to move to Europe, where at least they know they can get into a system, get paperwork, and be legally recognized as individuals, though still effectively stateless. This is why a war with Iran would be utterly disasterous for Europe. Iran has 3 million Afghan refugees from the various Afghani conflicts from 1979 onward. Only 1 million of those Afghani's have paperwork. The other 2 million do not, and therefore have no reason to stay in Iran, where they are isolated and effectively ghettoized. In addition, Iran's easy access to Europe through the Caspian, through Turkey, and through the Caucasus, means that the eastern border of the EU will again be tested, as despite the relatively paltry number of refugees that went to Europe (around 1 million of the 6 million total refugees from the SCW, the majority of whom settled in Turkey, who took more than half, Jordan, and Lebanon), that 1 million or so caused a great deal of chaos, precisely because the refugee system is completely broken, and no one wants to fix it. Imagine now a country of 80 million, with at the minimum 2 million undocumented peoples trying to escape what would be a large war. Can you see how that would effect Europe in a very real way?

A war with Iran, which Israel and the KSA want very badly, would be a completely disastrous affair for all of Western Eurasia and North Africa. The US seems on-board too, but if we really want to save Europe, you have to realize the consequences of another war in West Asia.

This list and your explanations are absolute bullshite for quite a few reasons but I’m not going to get into them because I’m not going to change your mind anyway.

I’ve lived in the 4-5 of the Islamic countries you listed, and your description of what supposedly happens there couldn’t be further from the truth.

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So do Muslims. The God of Abraham.

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And yet their Scriptures advocate for the murders of peaceful Jews and Christians, while the others do not.

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Trump is being guided by a higher power.

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