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Is John Pavlovitz a Christian?

Posted on 9/13/20 at 12:34 pm
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
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Posted on 9/13/20 at 12:34 pm
Curious about this board’s take.

quote:

Dear White Evangelicals, I need to tell you something: People have had it with you. They’re done. They want nothing to do with you any longer, and here’s why: They see your hypocrisy, your inconsistency, your incredibly selective mercy, and your thinly veiled supremacy.

For eight years they watched you relentlessly demonize a black President; a man faithfully married for 26 years; a doting father and husband without a hint of moral scandal or the slightest whiff of infidelity. They watched you deny his personal faith convictions, argue his birthplace, and assail his character—all without cause or evidence. They saw you brandish Scriptures to malign him and use the laziest of racial stereotypes in criticizing him.

And through it all, White Evangelicals—you never once suggested that God placed him where he was, you never publicly offered prayers for him and his family, you never welcomed him to your Christian Universities, you never gave him the benefit of the doubt in any instance, you never spoke of offering him forgiveness or mercy, your evangelists never publicly thanked God for his leadership, your pastors never took to the pulpit to offer solidarity with him, you never made any effort to affirm his humanity or show the love of Jesus to him in any quantifiable measure.

You violently opposed him at every single turn—without offering a single ounce of the grace you claim as the heart of your faith tradition. You jettisoned Jesus as you dispensed damnation on him.

And yet you give carte blanche to a white Republican man so riddled with depravity, so littered with extramarital affairs, so unapologetically vile, with such a vast resume of moral filth—that the mind boggles.

And the change in you is unmistakable. It has been an astonishing conversion to behold: a being born again. With him, you suddenly find religion. With him, you’re now willing to offer full absolution. With him, all is forgiven without repentance or admission. With him you’re suddenly able to see some invisible, deeply buried heart. With him, sin has become unimportant, compassion no longer a requirement. With him, you see only Providence.

And White Evangelicals, all those people who have had it with you—they see it all clearly. They recognize the toxic source of your inconsistency. They see that pigmentation and party are your sole deities. They see that you aren’t interested in perpetuating the love of God or emulating the heart of Jesus. They see that you aren’t burdened to love the least, or to be agents of compassion, or to care for your Muslim, gay, African, female, or poor neighbors as yourself. They see that all you’re really interested in doing, is making a God in your own ivory image and demanding that the world bow down to it. They recognize this all about white, Republican Jesus—not dark-skinned Jesus of Nazareth.

And I know you don’t realize it, but you’re digging your own grave in these days; the grave of your very faith tradition. Your willingness to align yourself with cruelty is a costly marriage. Yes, you’ve gained a Supreme Court seat, a few months with the Presidency as a mouthpiece, and the cheap high of temporary power—but you’ve lost a whole lot more. You’ve lost an audience with millions of wise, decent, good-hearted, faithful people with eyes to see this ugliness. You’ve lost any moral high ground or spiritual authority with a generation. You’ve lost any semblance of Christlikeness. You’ve lost the plot.

And most of all you’ve lost your soul. I know it’s likely you’ll dismiss these words. The fact that you’ve even made your bed with such malevolence, shows how far gone you are and how insulated you are from the reality in front of you. But I had to at least try to reach you. It’s what Jesus would do. Maybe you need to read what he said again—if he still matters to you.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 9/13/20 at 12:36 pm to
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21649 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 12:37 pm to
Never heard of him but it doesn’t sound like it.
Posted by markinkaty
Katy Tx
Member since Dec 2019
4506 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 12:39 pm to
Sounds like he's married to mayor pete.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69215 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 12:39 pm to
Here is the issue with his entire argument: politics is not about personal character, it is about determining the direction of society and government.

You cannot call yourself a christian and vote for people who will expand abortion,expand transgenderism, erode religious rights, and force nuns to provide birth control.

Christianity is a whole lot more than being faithful to your wife, being nice to others, and attending service.

This is not difficult to understand.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111489 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 12:40 pm to
He got fired from his job as a youth pastor in 2013 from a good church in Charlotte. Because he’s not an orthodox Christian.
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 12:40 pm to
quote:

John Pavlovitz


Sounds like a Methodist last name.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69215 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

Never heard of him but it doesn’t sound like it.
TL/DR for those who didn't read the OP

"evangelicals should sacrifice their beliefs and vote for 'nice' candidates because it is the more christian thing to do, even if those candidates stand against everything the bible says"
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 12:48 pm to
quote:

"evangelicals should sacrifice their beliefs and vote for 'nice' candidates because it is the more christian thing to do, even if those candidates stand against everything the bible says"


Are you quoting or paraphrasing?
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

Christianity is a whole lot more than being faithful to your wife, being nice to others, and attending service.


So is Jerry Falwell, Jr a Christian?
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

JudgeHolden
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 2:22 pm to
quote:

Wolfhound45



Still misquoting 2 Peter 3:16? Still relying on what other people said about the word 300 years ago?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21649 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 2:22 pm to
quote:

So is Jerry Falwell, Jr a Christian?



Is there something you’d like to actually discuss?
Posted by Dawgwithnoname
NE Louisiana
Member since Dec 2019
4278 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 2:23 pm to
He sounds like a mouthpiece of Satan to me. Anyone who says Obama was morally pure is a propagandist of the highest order.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 2:23 pm to
2 Peter 3:1-2, 15-16



Make sure you continue to honor the 4th commandment.
This post was edited on 9/13/20 at 2:24 pm
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21649 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

Anyone who says Obama was morally pure is a propagandist of the highest order.


He does a lot worse than that. Just a sample:
quote:

You had your character assassinated over and over—and in response you simply showed that character. You shouldered the kind of expectations that no man aspiring to the position has ever had to contend with. You had to be both strong and sensitive, tough and warm, fierce and likable—and you were.


Likable.


https://johnpavlovitz.com/2016/12/22/thank-you-hillary/
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
4840 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 2:32 pm to
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This post was edited on 10/9/20 at 1:35 pm
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

Make sure you continue to honor the 4th commandment.


Not doing too good today. As I’m sure you know, the fourth can be either remember the Sabbath or honor your parents. Again, you don’t seem to have actually read it.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

2 Peter 3:1-2, 15-16


Ahhh. You googled it and actually read what you cited. That’s progress.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 2:36 pm to
quote:

Is there something you’d like to actually discuss?


Yes. Pavlovitz basically says you are hypocritical and unChristian if you vote for Trump. (I don’t agree).

Many on this Board say it is unChristian to fail to vote for Trump.

I’m trying to figure out where the line is.
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