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re: Is it “rape”?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 8:53 am to the808bass
Posted on 2/24/21 at 8:53 am to the808bass
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s anyone in this entire shitstain of a thread said that forcible and statutory rape are the same?
Several. In fact Sentrus did two post up.
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 9:04 am to Robin Masters
You don’t read good.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 9:09 am to FutureMikeVIII
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This is some of the dumbest shite I’ve ever read. And I read a lot of dumb shite on this website. Let’s rape all the boys...lemme guess, you’re catholic.
hey idiot, we are talking about a 13 year old boy with an older woman. Not rape by a preacher or priest. Learn to read.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 9:14 am to boxcar willie
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This is some of the dumbest shite I’ve ever read. And I read a lot of dumb shite on this website. Let’s rape all the boys...lemme guess, you’re catholic.
hey idiot, we are talking about a 13 year old boy with an older woman. Not rape by a preacher or priest. Learn to read.
The ability to recognize subtlety and nuance is frequently used as a measure of intelligence. And The ability to have a provocative conversation without becoming an emotional puddle of mud should be as well.
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 9:16 am
Posted on 2/24/21 at 9:22 am to the808bass
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You don’t read good.
From Sentrus:
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You’re the one arguing that a grown arse adult raping a 13 year old child is not a big deal as a different kind of rape like adult on adult rape.
Try and pay attention because this requires some inference but when Sentrus criticizes me for drawing a distinction between 13 yo sex with and older woman and forced penetration the natural implication is that he thinks there is no distinction.
Would you treat your 13 yo who had consensual sex with 18 yo girl the same as your daughter/wife who was violently and brutally raped against their will? That is the crux of the debate and it is what people looking to be victims would have us believe should occur.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 9:28 am to Robin Masters
Why don’t you ask Sentrius if there’s no difference?
Or you can labor under your idiotic misconceptions.
Either way.
Or you can labor under your idiotic misconceptions.
Either way.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 9:29 am to Robin Masters
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And The ability to have a provocative conversation without becoming an emotional puddle of mud should be as well.
You’re not smart because you’re having this argument. No matter what you’re telling yourself.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 9:31 am to SCLibertarian
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Legally yes. A 13 year old cannot consent to sex.
Can a 13 year old commit rape?
What if two 13 year old teens have sex, are they both guilty of rape as the other party was not able to consent?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 9:34 am to novabill
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Can a 13 year old commit rape?
Yes.
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What if two 13 year old teens have sex, are they both guilty of rape as the other party was not able to consent?
It’s not the definition of statutory rape. It’s not smart behavior. But it’s not an adult coercing a minor into sexual behavior which is completely different for obvious reasons and illegal for patently obvious reasons to people who are willing to be honest about it.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 9:36 am to Robin Masters
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Would you treat your 13 yo who had consensual sex with 18 yo girl the same as your daughter/wife who was violently and brutally raped against their will? That is the crux of the debate and it is what people looking to be victims would have us believe should occur.
There was a girl in my class who the football coach groomed. He started having sex with her when she was 15. Destroyed her life and his. And his wife’s. And their infant son’s life. She “consented,” such as a 15-year-old can. Was she a victim? Absolutely.
Your little nonsensical argument can’t account for this case.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 9:45 am to the808bass
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Your little nonsensical argument can’t account for this case.
His argument does account for this, because "girls are different, you librul."
Posted on 2/24/21 at 9:55 am to the808bass
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Why don’t you ask Sentrius if there’s no difference?
Or you can labor under your idiotic misconceptions.
Either way.
His point was already made.
And I see you avoided the hypothetical but indulged your need lash out in frustration. It’s ok. I understand.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 9:56 am to Robin Masters
The hypothetical is still based on an idea that no one has explicitly endorsed, namely that forcible rape is just as bad and has exactly the same consequences as statutory rape.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 10:00 am to Robin Masters
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Appeal to authority is a rather basic logical fallacy. Yet it seems to represent the totality of your position.
He was citing law, not citing testimony of an authority. If you are going to call people dumb and cite logical fallacies, you should at least know what they mean.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 10:01 am to the808bass
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There was a girl in my class who the football coach groomed. He started having sex with her when she was 15. Destroyed her life and his. And his wife’s. And their infant son’s life. She “consented,” such as a 15-year-old can. Was she a victim? Absolutely.
Your little nonsensical argument can’t account for this case.
Infidelity can often lead to disastrous outcomes regardless of age. Is it your position that this would have been a kosher situation if only the 15 yo had been of legal age of consent?
And I know it’s tempting to try and align my position as being “ok with statutory rape” but for like the 20th time, that is NOT my position.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 10:04 am to the808bass
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The hypothetical is still based on an idea that no one has explicitly endorsed, namely that forcible rape is just as bad and has exactly the same consequences as statutory rape.
The point of the thread was to say that, in fact, this is what is occurring in our social victimhood Olympiad.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 10:04 am to Robin Masters
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Is it your position that this would have been a kosher situation if only the 15 yo had been of legal age of consent?
I am pretty confident she would say no.
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And I know it’s tempting to try and align my position as being “ok with statutory rape” but for like the 20th time, that is NOT my position.
You are presenting statutory rape of a young boy as something he could celebrate. So it’s not like someone is taking you way out of context if they assumed that.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 10:06 am to Robin Masters
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The point of the thread was to say that, in fact, this is what is occurring in our social victimhood Olympiad.
No, it’s not. Women teachers who rape their students get very light sentences. The differences between statutory and forcible rape are clearly codified in our criminal codes and sentencing.
I would argue that we actually minimize the damage of statutory rape still in our society. Like you’re doing.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 10:08 am to CaTiger85
“Description: Insisting that a claim is true simply because a valid authority or expert on the issue said it was true, without any other supporting evidence offered. Also see the appeal to false authority .”
The law is not a valid authority? Who knew?
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He was citing law, not citing testimony of an authority. If you are going to call people dumb and cite logical fallacies, you should at least know what they mean.
The law is not a valid authority? Who knew?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 10:14 am to the808bass
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No, it’s not. Women teachers who rape their students get very light sentences. The differences between statutory and forcible rape are clearly codified in our criminal codes and sentencing.
Again, I’m talking perspective of the victims and how they feel about what happened to them and it being the same as forced, violent penetration. And those who seek to profit from victim hood are complicit in supporting this incongruence.
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