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re: Is it “rape”?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:00 am to Sentrius
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:00 am to Sentrius
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but we don't acknowledge that the teenage boys life can be ruined as well if the grown arse adult women gets pregnant, making him a father so early in life and thrusting a responsibility on him that he is not mentally and emotionally prepared to assume.
but what about if she is on the pill, doesn't get pregnant, and they both keep quite about it? Do you think it is going to have any negative effects on the boys life?
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Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:04 am to Sentrius
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ould?
She will be arrested, tried and convicted in a court of law if she acts on her sexual desire of teenage to little boys.
no doubt the boy would be bragging to his friends about it and word would get out, so yes, would frick up that womans world.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:20 am to boxcar willie
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but what about if she is on the pill, doesn't get pregnant, and they both keep quite about it?
She still filled the boy’s head with unrealistic, dangerous and unhealthy ideas about sexuality and romantic relationships.
What if he develops a severe mother complex and an obsession with way older women as a result when he should be with girls his own age?
Something like that would happen when the grown woman disrupts the boy’s natural progression and maturation process.
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Do you think it is going to have any negative effects on the boys life?
HubbaBubba literally posted in this thread how dangerously wrong it could’ve gone for him.
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no doubt the boy would be bragging to his friends about it and word would get out, so yes, would frick up that womans world.
The way you’re phrasing this makes you look like you’re giving the older woman grooming and raping the young boy a soft permission structure and tactic approval.
Disgusting.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:33 am to greygoose
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There is no male that has ever lived, that was ever psychologically damaged by consensual sex. Girls are much different in this respect.
100% agree that a 13 year old boy is not going to be psychologically damaged by consensual sex with a woman. On the contrary. I would think any man who was once a 13 year old boy would know that. Now if legal matters or pregnancy and any of that sort of thing is brought into the equation then it would be a different story and have a lot of bad repercussions for both parties involved. Not likely a 13 year old boy is going to be able to keep his mouth shut around his friends about something like that.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 1:52 am to Sentrius
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The way you’re phrasing this makes you look like you’re giving the older woman grooming and raping the young boy a soft permission structure and tactic approval.
Disgusting.
on the contrary, I'm saying there is not much chance this stays secret and both of their worlds will get fricked up.
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She still filled the boy’s head with unrealistic, dangerous and unhealthy ideas about sexuality and romantic relationships.
What if he develops a severe mother complex and an obsession with way older women as a result when he should be with girls his own age?
Something like that would happen when the grown woman disrupts the boy’s natural progression and maturation process.
I didn't read Hubba Bubbas response but I don't think that what you posted right there, the mama complex and an unhealthy obsession with older women (most 13 year old boys already have that obsession anyway as they spend more time thinking about their English teachers boobs than they do with the literature lesson that she is trying to get through their thick skulls) is the most likely outcome. What is more likely for most, average, 13 year old boys is that his confidence is greatly boosted, he sidesteps the awkward confusion of the early teen years, and goes on to lead a more balanced, confident, and successful life.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:03 am to Sentrius
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HubbaBubba literally posted in this thread how dangerously wrong it could’ve gone for him.
okay, I just read Hubba Bubbas story, so yes I agree if she has a husband, who would most likely be out to kill them both if he found out, would most definitely make it a bad situation. However, other than that part of the story, and the danger they narrowly avoided, seems he didn't suffer any ill effects at all, other than the womans continued obsession with him even after all those years.
furthermore, while you find my viewpoint "disgusting", I find your viewpoint to not be grounded in the reality of how a young man's brain works (even at the age of 13)
This post was edited on 2/24/21 at 2:14 am
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:31 am to Sentrius
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A 13 year old boy is a child. And children cannot consent to sex. Period. Full stop.
We try 13 yo as adults all the time. They cannot consent to some basic in-out but can spend the rest of their lives in jail for committing a crime? Seem like quite the double standard.
And, btw, using current statutes as a way to end a hypothetical debate is just you lacking confidence in your argument. Like claiming the moral appropriateness of abortion simply because it’s currently legal. It’s intellectually weak.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 4:09 am to boxcar willie
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What is more likely for most, average, 13 year old boys is that his confidence is greatly boosted, he sidesteps the awkward confusion of the early teen years, and goes on to lead a more balanced, confident, and successful life.
This is what YOU think would happen to you and 13 year old boys as if they’re all the same.
That’s an utterly absurd and unrealistic expectation of human behavior and thankfully the law ignores that as a possible defense for women who want to rape children which includes 13 year old boys.
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seems he didn't suffer any ill effects at all,
So one case is enough of a sample size for you push your own unrealistic one size fits all expectations?
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while you find my viewpoint "disgusting",
It is disgusting.
You’re excusing and diminishing the rape of a 13 year old child and projecting your own expectations as to how they would react to it.
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I find your viewpoint to not be grounded in the reality of how a young man's brain works (even at the age of 13)
A 13 year old is not a man. That’s barely even a teenager after preteen and that’s still a child in the eyes of society and the law.
Btw, What you call reality is literally your own opinion and the law disagrees.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 4:20 am to Robin Masters
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We try 13 yo as adults all the time.
No we don’t.
It takes very rare and horrific exigent circumstances that takes our breath away and shock us to our very core.
And even then, they still have a chance for parole.
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can spend the rest of their lives in jail for committing a crime?
Not anymore. SCOTUS recently ruled that life sentence without parole for juvenile is unconstitutional.
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using current statutes as a way to end a hypothetical debate is just you lacking confidence in your argument.
Why don’t you try and lead a movement to legalize/decriminalize rape of 13 year old children and see what kind of response you get?
My position is the one that’s codified in law because society at large agrees with me. It’s a position of strength that’s settled law with the only changes to it being made to make it tougher, and you are arguing from a position of weakness and its an argument that has lost and will never win in court and legislatures.
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Like claiming the moral appropriateness of abortion simply because it’s currently legal. It’s intellectually weak.
You’re the one that’s comparing a black and white topic in the rape of children that’s settled law and is not being litigated against with a grey area topic in abortion that’s being litigated against and for in legislatures and courtrooms.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 4:21 am to Robin Masters
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We try 13 yo as adults all the time.
We do?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 5:40 am to RealDawg
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You have apparently never woken up with a big girl on top of you after passing out on the couch post Violent Femmes concert.
Getting snuck is what teaches us to drink responsibly.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 6:53 am to boxcar willie
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What is more likely for most, average, 13 year old boys is that his confidence is greatly boosted, he sidesteps the awkward confusion of the early teen years, and goes on to lead a more balanced, confident, and successful life.
This is some of the dumbest shite I’ve ever read. And I read a lot of dumb shite on this website. Let’s rape all the boys...lemme guess, you’re catholic.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 6:55 am to Sentrius
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y don’t you try and lead a movement to legalize/decriminalize rape of 13 year old children and see what kind of response you get?
My position is the one that’s codified in law because society at large agrees with me. It’s a position of strength that’s settled law with the only changes to it being made to make it tougher, and you are arguing from a position of weakness and its an argument that has lost and will never win in court and legislatures.
Appeal to authority is a rather basic logical fallacy. Yet it seems to represent the totality of your position.
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You’re the one that’s comparing a black and white topic in the rape of children that’s settled law and is not being litigated against with a grey area topic in abortion that’s being litigated against and for in legislatures and courtrooms.
It’s the law. End of story. Full stop. Blah blah blah.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 7:05 am to Robin Masters
Yes. you're sick.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 7:06 am to Robin Masters
RAPE
Posted on 2/24/21 at 7:23 am to icheerforgeorgia
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Yes. you're sick.
I never said it was a good thing or should be legal shitbag. I said it wasn’t the same as forced violent penetration of a woman which is also called “rape”
You seem to think these people have the same experience which makes you the sick one.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 7:31 am to Robin Masters
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Yet it seems to represent the totality of your position.
You’re the one arguing from a position of weakness because your opinion is literally legally invalid. Especially over a black and white crime.
If a grown woman raping a boy was not the same and not as damaging as the reverse situation, then the law would reflect that. But it’s not because a prohibitive majority in society that crosses party line of all walks of life share the same view and is opposed to your argument.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 7:36 am to Robin Masters
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I said it wasn’t the same as forced violent penetration of a woman which is also called “rape”
Lack of consent is lack of consent regardless of the circumstances.
You’re the one arguing that a grown arse adult raping a 13 year old child is not a big deal as a different kind of rape like adult on adult rape.
You’re the sick one here.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 8:18 am to Sentrius
quote:Setting aside the argument about this specific offense, I stopped expecting logic and internal consistency in legal codes a very, very long time ago.
If a grown woman raping a boy was not the same and not as damaging as the reverse situation, then the law would reflect that.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 8:20 am to Robin Masters
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I said it wasn’t the same as forced violent penetration of a woman which is also called “rape”
Has anyone in this entire shitstain of a thread said that forcible and statutory rape are the same?
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