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cyarrr
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re: Is it “rape”?
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For everyone saying a 13 year old cannot consent and it would be rape in Louisiana...what statute are you citing?

Louisiana 1st degree rape statute defines 1st degree rape as sex with anyone under the age of 13. It is the only rape statute that mentions the victims age.

13 would not be rape it would be Carnal Knowledge of a Juvenile if the juvenile gave consent.




Sexual battery. A person commits sexual battery by touching the victim sexually (or making the victim touch the defendant sexually) with the victim’s consent when the victim is under the age of 15 and is at least three years younger than the defendant. Sexual battery of a child under the age of 13 is punished much more severely if the defendant is age 17 or older. (La. Rev. Stat. Ann. §§ 14:43.1, 14:43.2, 14:43.3 (2018).)

Sexual battery is punishable by up to 10 years in prison, with or without hard labor. Sexual battery against a child under the age of 13 is punishable by 25 to 99 years’ imprisonment at hard labor and lifetime electronic monitoring. (La. Rev. Stat. Ann. §§ 14:43.1, 14:43.2, 14:43.3 (2018).)

Sexual battery is considered one of the statutory rape laws.

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Ace Midnight
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Plus. I love how you think men have absolutely zero estrogen and women have absolutely zero testosterone in their bodies.



That was GG, not Robin Masters.


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Flats
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be made or even allowed to feel they have been violated in the same manner as a woman who was forcibly and brutally penetrated by a man.

I think not, yet many here and elsewhere want to create a valse victim hood for this hypothetical person.


In the same manner? I'd be surprised if anybody actually made that claim.

His being a victim isn't false. It's not as bad as being forcibly raped but that doesn't mean he's not a victim. You can be a victim of robbery or murder; the word isn't inaccurate just because there's a huge gap between those crimes.


ChineseBandit58
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what do you can it when a man violently penetrates a woman against her will


Rape.


Aggravated rape -

Is there a special definition for nonconsensual sex based on difference in positions of power? as in one being "blackmailed" into the act, as opposed to physical dominance.

Or does that fall into the quagmire of "sexual harassment?"


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Robin Masters
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robbery or murder; the word isn't inaccurate just because there's a huge gap between those crimes.


Except those are different words with different meanings. “Rape” is being used to describe completely different experiences.
My grandmother was raped. What happened to her was violent no consensual forced penetration. If she was raped then, a 13 yo seduced into consensual sex with a tender woman over 18 is nearly the complete opposite and most assuredly NOT rape. Words need to have meanings and literally applications.


Wednesday
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re: Is it “rape”?
Here’s a 2 cent legal opinion.

Non consensual sex is the definition of rape.

A 13 yr old boy can’t legally consent to sex any more or less than a 19 yr old girl who is unconscious.

Such an experience could basically wreck a child and prevent him from having a normal life.


Robin Masters
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Here’s a 2 cent legal opinion.

Non consensual sex is the definition of rape.

A 13 yr old boy can’t legally consent to sex any more or less than a 19 yr old girl who is unconscious.

Such an experience could basically wreck a child and prevent him from having a normal life.




Since you continue to fall back on text book definitions and avoiding the premise of the thread I’ll assume you agree that fundamentally they are different.

Everyone knows they are illegal, counselor. You haven’t added anything we don’t already know.


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the808bass
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seduced into consensual sex with a tender woman over 18 is nearly the complete opposite and most assuredly NOT rape. Words need to have meanings and literally applications.


You’re desperately trying to die on this hill. It’s a weird argument.

If someone robs my house while I’m on vacation, they robbed me.

If someone robs me at gunpoint, they robbed me.

The crimes are very different from a victim impact and criminal punishment perspective. It is not violence to the language to call both robbery.


Robin Masters
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You’re desperately trying to die on this hill. It’s a weird argument.



I had a grandmother violently raped. It’s not that weird.

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someone robs my house while I’m on vacation, they robbed me. If someone robs me at gunpoint, they robbed me.


Neither were consensual. Fail.


Ace Midnight
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Neither were consensual. Fail.



Neither is a 13-year old "consenting" to sex.

We don't let convenience stores sell booze or cigs to 13-year olds.


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Robin Masters
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We don't let convenience stores sell booze or cigs to 13-year olds.


And yet most people with two brain cells can distinguish between a 13 yo willingly consuming alcohol and one who is forced to drink it, even though both are illegal. The former might even be arrested while the later would be given counseling.

Edit: You bring up an interesting dilemma. You fall back on the “13 yo cannot consent to sex” but we charge 13 yo as adults with homicide. Seems like a strange hypocrisy, no?
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Ace Midnight
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You bring up an interesting dilemma.


I'm known for that, true.

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You fall back on the “13 yo cannot consent to sex”


Again, true. No consent that can or should be recognized by adults as valid in our modern society. As I've repeated again and again - any age is arbitrary, but 13 is clearly, unambiguously too young for this if we are going to have any societal protections for children at all.

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but we charge 13 yo as adults with homicide. Seems like a strange hypocrisy, no?


In jurisdictions where this is true, there is a separate proceeding, however. I agree that these ages are almost all younger than the age of consent - perhaps not rank hypocrisy but definitely a double standard.

And children CAN sue for emancipation, if so inclined, just FTR.


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QJenk
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13 yo boy


Key word here is boy. At 13 they are clearly still a child, I don't even consider 13 a teenager yet. There is a big difference between a 13 year old and a 16 year old. Even 16 is too young for consent age imo, (but that is a different topic.)

Hell, just for context, At age 13 I asked a girl for their number for the first time in my life. I stuttered like hell, sweated all over my body, and I'm not even sure if the wordsI said out of my mouth was audible. After she just looked at me awkward and laughed walking away, I wanted to cry at the embarrassment. I damn near peed my pants. You think at that age I could have handled a relationship with a grown woman?

Also, let's look at this a different way. What if a 13-16 year old girl had sex with a grown man. Let's say she "consented" as well. For hypothetical sake, let's even say she came into him by grabbing the guys penis first, and he went along with it all. Do you consider this instance rape, yes or no?

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For the record I was banned from the site for saying “a man cannot be raped by a woman”.



Your opinion was very wrong, and very stupid.
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dgnx6
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re: Is it “rape”?
Its rape, the boy cant legally consent. Even if he signed a contract consenting it wouldnt hold up.


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Flats
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Except those are different words with different meanings. “Rape” is being used to describe completely different experiences.


You said people were constructing a false victimhood. That kid was a victim, period.

There’s a reason we have the legal term “statutory rape”; it’s to differentiate between young people being taken advantage of and people being sexually assaulted. Society, the law, and I suspect 99% of this board agree with you that one is worse than the other.


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ljhog
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I guess in the Snowflake States of America I’m the a-hole.

No. You're an a-hole anywhere on the planet.


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Sentrius
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Debate I got into on a different site: 13 yo boy has consensual, very enjoyable sex with an older teacher and then later regrets it abs develops a victim complex and thinks he was “raped”.

Was he? And if he was “raped” what do you can it when a man violently penetrates a woman against her will.

For the record I was banned from the site for saying “a man cannot be raped by a woman”.

I guess in the Snowflake States of America I’m the a-hole.


This what toxic masculinity actually looks like. And it is sick.

Hell yes, a man can be raped.

And grown arse adult women who act on their sexual desire of teenage to little boys should suffer legal consequences for it as provided by law.

We're all well aware of how teenage girls can have their life ruined jus by getting pregnant but we don't acknowledge that the teenage boys life can be ruined as well if the grown arse adult women gets pregnant, making him a father so early in life and thrusting a responsibility on him that he is not mentally and emotionally prepared to assume.

And that's on top of the unrealistic, poisonous and damaging view of sexuality and romantic relationships the woman filled the boy's head with.

Any grown arse adult woman who thinks it's a good idea to risk making a teenage to little boy a father so early in life needs her arse beat by that boy's female relatives.
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SammyTiger
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re: Is it “rape”?
Does a women with a knife to her throat have the same experience as an unconscious drunk girl at a college party?

No.

But sex without consent is rape, and children cannot consent. They’re children.


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boxcar willie
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re: Is it “rape”?
I would say it is probably the fantasy of most 13 year old boys (we are talking about a female teacher here right?). Very risky for the teacher though as it could be used against her. On the other hand, a male teacher seducing a 13 year old girl, is a pretty fricked up situation, and the perp needs to be locked up. Even if the 13 year old girl does the seducing, still jailtime. Ever saw the movie "election" with Reese Witherspoon (though I think she was supposed to be about 15 when she starting having an affair with her teacher) and Mathew Broderick? It is pretty funny and deals with that situation.


Sentrius
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I would say it is probably the fantasy of most 13 year old boys


Doesn't matter if the boy wants it or not. It's illegal and against the law for the woman to act on making the boy's fantasy a reality.

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Very risky for the teacher though as it could be used against her.


Could?

She will be arrested, tried and convicted in a court of law if she acts on her sexual desire of teenage to little boys.

A 13 year old boy is a child. And children cannot consent to sex. Period. Full stop.


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