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AggieHank86
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re: Is it “rape”?
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Debate I got into on a different site
No, you should not have had sex with that child.


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Ace Midnight
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re: Is it “rape”?
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Girls aren't necessarily looking for sex, like boys are.


Again, this is dangerously ignorant. First of all, comparing anything to the sex drive of a teenage boy is setting up a false comparison.

If a teenage boy thinks about sex 90% of the time and a teenage girl does it 70% of the time, that's a significant difference.

And the thread hypo is a THIRTEEN YEAR OLD on top of it all. No 13-year old boy, hard dick or no, has the wherewithal to make a decision grounded in anything except hormones. An older woman victimizing him because of this vulnerability gets a PASS from you people, while you would castrate the older man doing the same thing to a girl (and I might as well).

Whatever fantasies you have as an adult are dangerous projections on any child. Puberty affects BOTH sexes. It is how we have maintained the species for tens of thousands of years. Girls can get pregnant as soon as they have their first period (or shortly thereafter). That can be as young as 9 or 10. Typically that's going to before a boy can get a girl pregnant.

But are these boys and girls emotionally ready for the consequences in our modern society? Of course not. That's why these laws are in place and are a damned good idea.

You want to talk to me about age of consent? Fine. Louisiana, for example is 17 and I might agree that's arbitrarily a little old, but not significantly so and we have to draw the line somewhere.

13? Boy or girl, hard dick (or equivalent for girl, which I won't mention here out of a sense of decorum) that's too, pardon the pun, fricking young.


Ace Midnight
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Are you dense?


Are you blissfully ignorant?

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Maybe you should do a little homework on that subject before spouting your opinions.


I've actually interacted with actual women. Your pet theories about the magic of "testosterone" notwithstanding, women go through various stages of intense sexual desire.

(At least with me they do )


Perse
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re: Is it “rape”?
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Women want equal rights except when it comes to committing crimes there they want special treatment.



Like this guy?


Teacher Found Not Guilty of Raping His 13-Year-Old Student


Ace Midnight
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re: Is it “rape”?
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Like this guy?


That law seems weirdly written and intentionally so.


Azkiger
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And if he was “raped” what do you can it when a man violently penetrates a woman against her will.


Rape as well.

No matter how you word it both cases are sex without consent since a 13 yr old cannot grant consent.


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Perse
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re: Is it “rape”?
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That law seems weirdly written and intentionally so.


It's Denmark, not surprised.


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greygoose
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re: Is it “rape”?
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Ace Midnight

I get it now. I'm debating with someone with the mindset that all are equal in every regard. My lily-white arse has now decided that I am going to be an NBA starting center. Nevermind the fact that I am below 6 feet in height.

Until you get it thru you head that there are physiological differences between the sexes, namely hormone production that GREATLY differentiates the two, I don't know what more I can say. Estrogen DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME EFFECT AS TESTOSENONE! Google the effects of estrogen on a male, for a start.



greygoose
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I've actually interacted with actual women.
Is that your way of saying you're gay?

It's a scientific fact that a woman's sex drive occur much later in life than a man's. Then again, I understand that you may not know this considering you only "interact" with women.


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re: Is it “rape”?
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greygoose


Do you have a point other than guys gotta have the sex and they gots no control?

Girls develop earlier than boys. Girls know a lot more than they let on. Girls may or may not have more desire to have sex, but boys do tend to have more drive to act on their desire.

None of those things speak to the ability of a child to protect themselves from those who would take an inexperienced child for their own sexual predations.

That boys are more willing, seems like they would need more protection. My boys are more willing to climb the roof and jump off. Doesn't mean I put a ladder up and encourage them to jump off.

Along with that testosterone is a noted increase in risky behavior. Like having sex with your teacher. Most people consider that a bad thing.


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Jyrdis
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re: Is it “rape”?
Legally speaking? Yes. Realistically speaking? No. I dgaf what any male on here says, they were all trying to have sex with an older woman when they were underage.


greygoose
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Legally speaking? Yes. Realistically speaking? No. I dgaf what any male on here says, they were all trying to have sex with an older woman when they were underage.


Exactly!!

15 y/o guys want to stick it anywhere they can. Hell, Hollywood movies are made just on this subject alone! What I can't believe is, there are dudes that are in denial of this.


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re: Is it “rape”?
I started this earlier. Deleted it and wrote out my thoughts better: *edited to remove the salacious text I used earlier to describe the woman,

I was psychologically "raped" at age 15. Was it physical rape? No, although I was a virgin, I was a very willing participant. We went through the act. Many times. For a period of maybe 9 months, sometimes three times in a week. She told me over and over she loved me. She told me she wanted to run away with me and wanted to plan it out. Psychologically, I was putty in her hands and she could have me do anything. I was scared. I never told anyone until I told my wife about five years ago. Her husband was tall, mean and would have killed me, and probably her, too, if he’d found out.

She was 25 years old, married and with two small children and she worked for my parent's business and asked me for a ride home. I knew nothing about seduction or being seduced. Multiple times I took her home, dropped her off and there was nothing to it, except that she was an adult that I liked talking to. It never occurred to me that someone close to my parents would do this. Then one evening she asked me to stop so she could pick up some groceries, then to help her carry them into her home. Inside, we were alone. Her kids were at her mother’s home. She stopped me on the way out the front door and just looked at me for what seemed like an eternity, then she led me to her bedroom and undressed completely in front of me. This was overwhelming for a 15 year old kid and the fact that I didn’t leave and willingly participated, to me, in my opinion, didn’t make it rape, but I knew at that moment it was wrong and did it anyway.

We never met at her house, again, but at many other places. I never told any of my friends, many who were teasing me, and some calling me a virgin for fun, and me smiling inside with my secret. But inside, I was so afraid of her husband finding out, that it kept me worried and anxious. I knew it was wrong, but she kept telling me how much she loved me and seemed totally obsessed with me. I was constantly afraid she would say something to the wrong person, or leave her husband and she’d try to pull me into running off with her. I talked to her about it, and she would tell me that she would never let any harm come to me and she would protect me no matter what. I got to the point where it felt like my life was out of my control and I was scared of what she might do next. I finally found the strength inside me to tell her that it had to stop. She cried and cried. She kept telling me how much she loved me. Her working for my parents’ business made it difficult because I would have to go to the business from time to time and she’d be there. She’d look at me and mouth “I love you” to me when nobody was looking. I tried to avoid seeing her. I just knew someone would catch on to it and then there would be hell to pay, but eventually it just stopped when her and her husband moved away. I didn’t see her or hear from her for fifteen more years, until I ran into her at a shopping mall. We were doing the nice/nice "how are you", "what are you doing with your life" sort of conversation and in the middle of me telling her about going off to LSU and the company I was working for, she just blurted out, "I've always loved you. I'll never stop loving you. I wish things were different and we could be together." She kissed me on the mouth, then said, "come find me someday and whatever it is I'm doing, I'll drop it and leave with you." I was stunned and told her that I didn't know what to say. She said, "You'll know someday. Come find me and tell me then." And she walked away. I haven't seen her since and haven’t looked for her.

I have very fond memories of “being with her”. I’ll never think she was a bad person, but obviously someone who is very flawed with a compulsive disorder. I was a willing participant, so I don’t look at it as physical rape, but it was something that happened in my life that changed me forever. It could have gone very bad. Psychologically, it twisted me in circles and I didn’t know what to do at that age. I was scared because she held so much power over me, was able to manipulate me and even though I know she could have gone to prison for what she did (and maybe still could), I would never want that for her. And that’s as much as I’m willing to share. No, it wasn't physical rape. I don't think it would come close to technically characterize itself as that, but I was very much manipulated, seduced and put into a position where this situation could have had severe negative impacts on my life and for those around me. I’m fortunate, as it turned out, because it left me with some interesting memories and frankly, set a performance benchmark for every girl or woman I ever met since that was nearly impossible for them to beat. But her obsession with me was still there 15 years later, and that tells me it could have ended very badly for me had I not found the strength to walk away from her when I did.
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Jyrdis
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What I can't believe is, there are dudes that are in denial of this.


They’ve had children and want to forget the “horrors” of their past. It’s the same thing as them being outraged at that show on Netflix about the young girls provocatively dancing yet allow their own daughters a tic tok account where they do the same thing.


squid_hunt
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that show on Netflix about the young girls provocatively dancing yet allow their own daughters a tic tok account where they do the same thing.


Yep. Nothing wrong with 11 year olds bumping and grinding. Perfectly normal. Any normal 30-40 year old movie would enjoy that as art.


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Roger Klarvin
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re: Is it “rape”?
Legally yes because 13 year olds cannot consent to sex with an adult in any state.

I do find it interesting though that in 2021 we view with such abhorrence that which was the norm in nearly every human society that ever existed up until a few hundred years ago. The average age of first pregnancy for women in Europe during the Middle Ages was 14, usually with men at least several years older. Most of the young female love interests in Shakespeare are 12-16. Mary by Jewish tradition would have been around 12-13 when she was wed to Joseph who would have been more than twice her age and possible in his 30s (assuming they actually existed).

And I don’t really even have a problem with the concept of an age of consent or it being 16-18, I’ve just always found this example of moral relativism particularly strange.
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theenemy
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re: Is it “rape”?
For everyone saying a 13 year old cannot consent and it would be rape in Louisiana...what statute are you citing?

Louisiana 1st degree rape statute defines 1st degree rape as sex with anyone under the age of 13. It is the only rape statute that mentions the victims age.

13 would not be rape it would be Carnal Knowledge of a Juvenile if the juvenile gave consent.
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martiansgohome
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re: Is it “rape”?
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Legally yes because 13 year olds cannot consent to sex with an adult in any state.

I do find it interesting though that in 2021 we view with such abhorrence that which was the norm in nearly every human society that ever existed up until a few hundred years ago. The average age of first pregnancy for women in Europe during the Middle Ages was 14, usually with men at least several years older. Most of the young female love interests in Shakespeare are 12-16. Mary by Jewish tradition would have been around 12-13 when she was wed to Joseph who would have been more than twice her age and possible in his 30s (assuming they actually existed).

And I don’t really even have a problem with the concept of an age of consent or it being 16-18, I’ve just always found this example of moral relativism particularly strange.


Context is important isn't it? I focused on the OPs inclusion of gender in their post as the key issue but after reading this thread you raised a much more relevant issue. Moral relativism = community standards = "a jury of your peers." Crazy how those standards have changed in the course of human history.


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Bowhanon 87
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re: Is it “rape”?
A full grown adult woman manipulating a child to agree...is...sneaky rape. Underline rape.


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Nurbis
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re: Is it “rape”?
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that which was the norm in nearly every human society that ever existed up until a few hundred years ago.


A lot of insane shite was the norm just a few hundred years ago like slavery and witch trials. I like to think we moved on from those practices for a reason. But there are countries today that still have slavery, still have radical religious practices like honor killings, and still have marriages between grown men and children. I typically refer to those countries as shitholes and those people as savages but that is just me.


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