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re: Incest and rape are always used for the Abortion rights argument
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:59 am to Sentrius
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:59 am to Sentrius
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f you don't support the exception for rape and incest, you shouldn't support the morning after pill either.
I think his argument was that if you were raped, you shouldn't wait around for a heartbeat fetus to do something about being pregnant - when there are instant remedies available.
Incest is a tad more complex to me - if the incest involved a minor, then abortion should be legal at any point when it is discovered she is pregnant. Certainly should not wait around for several months to make that decision either, but an underage girl may not even know what is actually happening to her.
OTOH - if the incest victim is a legal adult, she should just be treated like any other pregnant woman - no special treatment for her relative to the law.
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:00 am to ApexTiger
Yea, it’s rare. I’ve seen figures around 1%-2.5% and assuming those are the actual numbers, why wouldn’t you just leave that exception open?
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:03 am to ApexTiger
I agree in rape as an exception honestly, but it’s a can of worms given some women falsely claim rape as it is or conveniently decide it is rape upon regret of their own decisions.
The reality is that it doesn’t need to get to the level of full abortion. Offer the victim the morning after pill and your fine. And I understand it is not 100% effective, but that is why you track the victim and test to make sure it worked. I’m fine with abortion at 6 weeks or less in those situations which are now even rarer IF you provide them the morning after pill.
The reality is that it doesn’t need to get to the level of full abortion. Offer the victim the morning after pill and your fine. And I understand it is not 100% effective, but that is why you track the victim and test to make sure it worked. I’m fine with abortion at 6 weeks or less in those situations which are now even rarer IF you provide them the morning after pill.
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 9:12 am
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:06 am to parrothead
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Yea, it’s rare. I’ve seen figures around 1%-2.5% and assuming those are the actual numbers, why wouldn’t you just leave that exception open?
This is what pisses me off about this abortion of a bill - it deliberately contains a "poison pill" that guarantees it will go to the SCOTUS - and will certainly be overridden.
There is no way the SCOTUS is going to agree with a bill that is devoid of these two obvious exclusions.
AND it will poison the electorate toward all conservative candidates - so much so that I am fearful it will destroy us in 2020 - will surely keep us from regaining the House - will most probably lose the Senate - and may even take down the POTUS.
ALL FOR WHAT??? - STUPID STUPID STUPID -
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:12 am to SippyCup
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If conception = life
what is so special about conception? Any dumbfrick with a dick can squirt his seed in some broad.
Sure, some women have problems getting pregnant, that sucks. But the rest of them don't. Getting pregnant isn't so incredible, magical happening. Dumbfricks do it everyday.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:23 am to ChineseBandit58
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AND it will poison the electorate toward all conservative candidates - so much so that I am fearful it will destroy us in 2020 - will surely keep us from regaining the House - will most probably lose the Senate - and may even take down the POTUS.
Well when both sides are passing extreme bills like those in Virginia on the complete other and even further extreme of this Alabama one, I don’t think it is going to have the negative effects you are expecting.
Those on both sides of the aisle can run their campaigns with more reasonable approaches. The conservatives can claim while they agree with the spirit of the law, they do feel exceptions should be made.
Now that said, everyone involved in this knows the real purpose of the law. It is to fight a flawed system that prevents legitimate challenges to a horribly made USSC decision in Roe vs Wade. The point of that law was ridiculous and full of contradiction. It didn’t even answer he question specifically and tried to just push it under the guise of privacy. That was and is still absurd.
The decision on abortion should be specifically about abortion not trying to use hand waving to justify.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:51 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Who said anything about the life of the mother? I’m in favor of performing operations that are likely to save the life of the mother even if they will likely result in the death of the child. That’s a terrible situation but preservation of life is still the goal. No such equivalency exists when abortion is performed simply to spare the mother some emotional trauma.
Yet, if that 11y/o dies as result of pregnancy or childbirth or the psychological aftermath . . . Mission Accomplished!
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:53 am to ApexTiger
Give them Rape, Incest, and Medical emergency. Then ask them if its ok to outlaw all the others. If they say we want all, tell them to shut the frick up and stop bringing up Rape and Incest then.....
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:55 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:BREAKING NEWS
This is what pisses me off about this abortion of a bill - it deliberately contains a "poison pill" that guarantees it will go to the SCOTUS - and will certainly be overridden.
When zealots of any stripe obtain power, they tend to over-reach.
More details at 1100pm.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:55 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Viability is a moving target that can change as technology changes and where access to that tech exists. Viability in NY City is different than viability in a small village in India.
100% FALSE!
Viability is a definitive, scientific and logical position
Also, viability can be applied to persons outside the womb, such as on life support. It’s an inconsistent standard.
Conception is recognized as a scientifically verifiable start for a new genetically-unique biological organism that is growing and developing.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:56 am to ApexTiger
Apparently these bitches are getting raped and then just going about their days as if nothing happened. Not going to a dr, a clinic or the police. So because bitches like that are so dumb.. it means that it should be legal for all women to murder their kids. I don't get it either.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:57 am to ApexTiger
The rape/incest arguments are completely disingenous, they come into play in what % of abortions? <1%?
The average abortion is this:
Young woman, unmarried, has unprotected sex knowingly and gets pregnant, decides she doesn't want the baby, aborts it.
That's it, that's 99% of abortions right there. If you aren't talking about that scenario, you aren't talking about abortion.
The average abortion is this:
Young woman, unmarried, has unprotected sex knowingly and gets pregnant, decides she doesn't want the baby, aborts it.
That's it, that's 99% of abortions right there. If you aren't talking about that scenario, you aren't talking about abortion.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:59 am to ApexTiger
Posted on 5/16/19 at 10:00 am to PEPE
quote:
The average abortion is this
Happens in the first trimester.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 10:02 am to FooManChoo
quote:BAN THE IUD AND PROSECUTE ITS USERS!
Conception is recognized as a scientifically verifiable start for a new genetically-unique biological organism that is growing and developing.
Women who use an IUD are all murderers, because the device prevents implantation (the final stage of the conception process) of genetically-unique organism that was created in the earlier fertilization stage of the conception process.
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 10:20 am
Posted on 5/16/19 at 10:04 am to AggieHank86
quote:Murder requires some sort of intent to take a life. It's probably more akin to manslaughter. But yes, I agree that an IUD that kills a fertilized egg should be illegal.
BAN THE IUD AND PROSECUTE ITS USERS!
Women who use an IUD are all murders, because the device prevents implantation (the final stage of the conception process) of genetically-unique organism that was created in the earlier fertilization stage of the conception process.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 10:11 am to Sentrius
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This post was edited on 3/15/21 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 5/16/19 at 10:18 am to ApexTiger
It's very rare, so make an exception for it
This law is getting incredible backlash, and will be a net loss for the anti abortion movement
This law is getting incredible backlash, and will be a net loss for the anti abortion movement
Posted on 5/16/19 at 10:20 am to FooManChoo
quote:You are far more consistent than the average abortion opponent. Kudos on that.
I agree that an IUD that kills a fertilized egg should be illegal.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 10:20 am to JuiceTerry
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It's very rare, so make an exception for it
How? How is that exception monitored and enforced so that it doesn't undermine the rest of the law?
I've asked this in a couple threads and not gotten any real answer. I have no idea, thus why i'm asking.
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