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re: Incest and rape are always used for the Abortion rights argument
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:15 am to SippyCup
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:15 am to SippyCup
quote:Assuming conception and fertilization are synonymous, the morning after pill does not prevent conception.
If the morning after pill prevents conception
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:16 am to FooManChoo
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It’s the only logically consistent view. Consensus opinion doesn’t determine truth.
Well you know not everyone believes “life” begins at conception. I do, but that doesn’t mean everyone else does.
People have different feelings on what actually constitutes “life”
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:18 am to tiger1014
quote:
You need exceptions for these very rare but exceedingly cruel circumstances.
Ok, will the left accept this as the general rule for seeking an abortion?
"Very rare but exceedingly cruel circumstances" and the health of the mother are the ONLY qualifiers for an abortion...
I would be good with that...
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:18 am to SippyCup
Exactly, when you make exceptions to rules based on circumstance, then you’re applying fluid morality to the lives of other people which feeds the pro-choice argument. It is either wrong or not wrong to abort people before birth. Why someone chooses to abort them is none of your business.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:18 am to tiger1014
quote:Feelings don’t determine truth, either. Conception as the beginning of life is the only scientific and logical position that doesn’t result in arbitrary definitions that can apply to adults in terms of killing people or devaluing life.
Well you know not everyone believes “life” begins at conception. I do, but that doesn’t mean everyone else does.
People have different feelings on what actually constitutes “life”
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:19 am to FooManChoo
quote:Yet, if that 11y/o dies as result of pregnancy or childbirth or the psychological aftermath . . . Mission Accomplished!
One horrific tragedy shouldn’t occur to make someone feel better about another horrific tragedy.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:20 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Assuming conception and fertilization are synonymous
Are we doing this now because of the new Bama law? Because that's not what it says.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:20 am to FooManChoo
quote:100% FALSE!
Conception as the beginning of life is the only scientific and logical position
Viability is a definitive, scientific and logical position
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:21 am to ApexTiger
torn on the issue. there are certain tribal cultures that use rape as a weapon and don’t understand and/or respect the concept of “individual rights”.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:22 am to ApexTiger
Children who are conceived by rape are completely innocent and pure. They did nothing wrong. Why is the solution to kill them?
I'm linking an article I found about a beautiful woman who was conceived from this horror. She was given up for adoption. She now has a loving family of her own. She's met her birth mother and now they have a relationship. It would have been a shame to just murder her.
LINK
I'm linking an article I found about a beautiful woman who was conceived from this horror. She was given up for adoption. She now has a loving family of her own. She's met her birth mother and now they have a relationship. It would have been a shame to just murder her.
LINK
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:22 am to GRTiger
quote:Oh? How does the Alabama law redefine fertilization?
Because that's not what it says.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:23 am to Apache
quote:Children who are victims of rape are completely innocent and pure. They did nothing wrong. Why is the solution to kill them?
Children who are conceived by rape are completely innocent and pure. They did nothing wrong. Why is the solution to kill them?
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:23 am to NC_Tigah
It makes no effort to redefine fertilization.
Why do you assume it did?
Why do you assume it did?
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:28 am to Apache
quote:
I'm linking an article I found about a beautiful woman who was conceived from this horror. She was given up for adoption. She now has a loving family of her own. She's met her birth mother and now they have a relationship. It would have been a shame to just murder her.
The only reason why she's alive is the mother chose to keep her and no one made that choice for her. She did that of her own free will.
That's what I support here when it comes to horrific crimes like this, the ability for the victim to choose.
I would have advised her to keep the baby as well and I'm glad she did. But I would have not held it against if her she chose to abort.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:28 am to GRTiger
quote:Because of your response indicating some sort of medical redefinition in the law. What does the law say in that regard?
It makes no effort to redefine fertilization.
Why do you assume it did?
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:29 am to ApexTiger
I look at it this way:
I'm pro-choice in the sense that I feel a woman 100% has the right to choose whether she gets pregnant or not. I would never advocate stripping women of that right. HOWEVER, that choice should be made BEFORE conception. If you're a female and you've consented to having sex and you get pregnant, then you've made your choice and abortion should not be an option.
If a woman is a victim of rape, she was never allowed her right to consent so she should be allowed to terminate the pregnancy within the first trimester.
Women do hold the cards on this matter. You can't make a choice then have a "do-over" when you don't like the outcome -- especially when it comes to ending a life because you made a poor choice. Deal with it and have responsibility for your actions.
I'm pro-choice in the sense that I feel a woman 100% has the right to choose whether she gets pregnant or not. I would never advocate stripping women of that right. HOWEVER, that choice should be made BEFORE conception. If you're a female and you've consented to having sex and you get pregnant, then you've made your choice and abortion should not be an option.
If a woman is a victim of rape, she was never allowed her right to consent so she should be allowed to terminate the pregnancy within the first trimester.
Women do hold the cards on this matter. You can't make a choice then have a "do-over" when you don't like the outcome -- especially when it comes to ending a life because you made a poor choice. Deal with it and have responsibility for your actions.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:34 am to ApexTiger
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This post was edited on 3/17/21 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:38 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Because of your response indicating some sort of medical redefinition in the law
Wait what? I said it didn't do something and you took it as an indication that it did that thing?
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:44 am to geauxtigersgirl
quote:
We should give rapists the death penalty if we are gonna abort the rapists baby.
SCOTUS has ruled that the death penalty only applies to those convicted of first degree murder. It can't be used for rapists.
Kennedy v. Louisiana, 554 U.S. 407 (2008)
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:53 am to ApexTiger
quote:That depends on when you think life begins
this maybe a dumb question but wouldn't the morning after pill be a solution to preventing unwarranted pregnancy?
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