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I’m tired of this thing where people just hate the police.

Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:24 am
Posted by FT
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Member since Oct 2003
26925 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:24 am
There are bad apples. That’s why you push for better training and accountability.

That is not why you decide you’re cool and edgy and hate all the cops. frick that’s aggravating.
Posted by Balloon Huffer
Member since Sep 2010
3421 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:27 am to
It's really just children or certain cultures that push this .

Actually, who am I kidding, it is literally one of the dems main platforms.

Sad indeed.

There needs to be a new law that states if you publicly demean the police, they are allowed to stop protecting you.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
35938 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:29 am to
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That’s why you push for better training and accountability. 

The very people who assert platitudes such as these are the one's who bend over backwards to try and prevent any civil or criminal liability for cops and their departments for even the most egregious of acts.
Posted by FT
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Member since Oct 2003
26925 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:29 am to
Two things: I’m a Democrat, and cops are better than that. I know that was hyperbole, or hope it was, but cops by and large would protect people regardless of what they say about them.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112393 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:34 am to
I know a LOT of cops. My only pet peeve is seat belt laws. When I bring this up with the cops I lift weights with they all say the same thing:
'You're right, Zach, laws which only protect you from yourself are illogical. But we use that one to stop suspicious cars to check for illegal drugs. If a cop stops you for seat belts and then realizes you don't have any drugs... and he still gives you a ticket, then he's just a jack arse.'
Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:35 am to
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There are bad apples. That’s why you push for better training and accountability.

That is not why you decide you’re cool and edgy and hate all the cops. frick that’s aggravating.



I mean I agree overall. Throwing your hands up at anything as a whole is generally a bad idea. But have you ever gone to another country and then come back here and noticed how many cops were everywhere? We have slowly entrenched ourselves into kind of a police state.

I feel like attitudes would be improved if we didn't have cops sitting on every corner trying to pull people over for every little thing. That's where a lot of these problems happen. I just don't think we should get pulled over for as many of the violations as we do. It's really odd having a cop give me a ticket for a seat belt violation. Always want to just say "go frick yourself, you pawn of insurance companies. Quit telling me how to run my life."

Police should be there strictly for peacekeeping and stopping crimes. It shouldn't be there preemptively doing anything or pulling people over for a tail light being out. This will go a long way into improving the relationship.



Posted by Eighteen
Member since Dec 2006
33845 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:36 am to
Certain culchas hold this attitude.

The media continues to feed off of this to push he narrative

The media and black lives matter has blood on its hands in Baton Rouge. frick them all to hell and back
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139750 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:38 am to
Who are you and what did you with our girl, FT?
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
26972 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:38 am to
quote:

Two things: I’m a Democrat, and cops are better than that. I know that was hyperbole, or hope it was, but cops by and large would protect people regardless of what they say about them.


As long the legal paradigm allows for near blanket immunity for law enforcement officers while at the same time law enforcement unions make it nearly impossible for any substantive reform, I have a hard time blaming people for getting pissed off.

As an example of the way the deck is stacked, until very recently, the overwhelming majority of states allowed police officers to have sex with someone they currently have placed under arrest: LINK
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20189 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:42 am to
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My only pet peeve is seat belt laws


quote:

'You're right, Zach, laws which only protect you from yourself are illogical


Gotta disagree here because many of those who get tagged in a wreck and fly through the windshield would be getting a lawyer lined up(or their families would), to sue the other party for totally preventable injuries which not only affect the other party but all of us who pay insurance. If it was self contained where only the one being hurt by being a dumbass was the individual being a dumbass, that's another story but this shite spills over onto others so there's the difference in this instance and the reason for the law.
Posted by TheAstroTiger
Member since Jun 2018
3101 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:42 am to
If your cop friends said that, which they didn’t, then they are idiots just like you. Seatbelt laws were created not just as a protect yourself law. Many studies show that in a car full of people, the person without the seatbelt can cause extensive damage in a serious wreck by flying around in the vehicle. Zero percent chance your cop friends said that. They have had to scrap dumb people off the ground who haven’t been wearing a seatbelt. They have had to take a child to the hospital who was crushed by an adult not wearing a seatbelt in the same car.
Posted by BABAR
Huntsville
Member since May 2013
330 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:55 am to
I'm white, older and conservative. Most cops in Alabama outside of the major cities are mostly a bunch of a-holes.
You give a uneducated redneck a gun, a badge and a little power, you get police abusing power.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:57 am to
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I’m tired of this thing where people just hate the police.
Then you should probably have a sit down with basically every leader of your favorite party and tell them to grow a pair and say what you said.

Otherwise, STFU
Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:59 am to
quote:

Gotta disagree here because many of those who get tagged in a wreck and fly through the windshield would be getting a lawyer lined up(or their families would), to sue the other party for totally preventable injuries which not only affect the other party but all of us who pay insurance. If it was self contained where only the one being hurt by being a dumbass was the individual being a dumbass, that's another story but this shite spills over onto others so there's the difference in this instance and the reason for the law.


Insurance shill. That's what you have identified yourself as in this thread
Posted by ILeaveAtHalftime
Member since Sep 2013
2889 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:00 am to
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But have you ever gone to another country and then come back here and noticed how many cops were everywhere?


In Europe, most places I’ve visited recently have had cops everywhere, and half of the time with rifles.
This post was edited on 12/15/18 at 11:02 am
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:01 am to
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I mean I agree overall. Throwing your hands up at anything as a whole is generally a bad idea. But have you ever gone to another country and then come back here and noticed how many cops were everywhere? We have slowly entrenched ourselves into kind of a police state.
As your party pretty clearly wants it.

I mean, sure, conservatives tend to be law and order types and, that was one area I often had common ground with many liberals.

But now that you've all lost your fricking minds and think directing the state police apparatus at an entire party is sensible...….., I'm just going to have to go it alone.
quote:

I feel like attitudes would be improved if we didn't have cops sitting on every corner trying to pull people over for every little thing. That's where a lot of these problems happen.
You mean, I don't know...…..like trying to arrest someone for selling cigarettes in your city after your liberal leaders decided taxing the frick out of them was a grand plan? Like that?
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112393 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:01 am to
quote:

Gotta disagree here because many of those who get tagged in a wreck and fly through the windshield would be getting a lawyer lined up(or their families would), to sue the other party for totally preventable injuries which not only affect the other party but all of us who pay insurance. If it was self contained where only the one being hurt by being a dumbass was the individual being a dumbass, that's another story but this shite spills over onto others so there's the difference in this instance and the reason for the law.


OK, then everyone who is over their ideal weight should be ticketed at $10 per pound. It's for their own good. If you're fat and on medicaid it's costing me when you go to treatment for your many fat related ailments.
Even if you have insurance it's increasing my premiums to cover your sorry at risk arse.
As you said, 'This shite spills over.'
So, pay up.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123769 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:02 am to
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There are bad apples.
I agree and UV'd.
However, when the thin blue line covers for and protects those bad actors, there is a cost. The same is true of prosecutors and judges.

Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:03 am to
quote:

Gotta disagree here because many of those who get tagged in a wreck and fly through the windshield would be getting a lawyer lined up(or their families would), to sue the other party for totally preventable injuries


This is silly.

First off, if the accident is YOUR fault, why shouldn't you be liable even if I didn't wear my seatbelt. I mean, if you fire a gun randomly and hit me in the chest, the fact I wasn't wearing a bullet proof vest won't help you in court.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112393 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:04 am to
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Many studies show that in a car full of people, the person without the seatbelt can cause extensive damage in a serious wreck by flying around in the vehicle.


1. That's the biggest load of shite I've heard in a long time.
2. If you get in the car with people who refuse to put on their seat belt that's your risk. Die.
3. I don't give a shite whether you believe what my cop friends say. For those who do the number of cops who have agreed with me are now up to 7. The number who disagreed with me are still at zero.
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