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Illinois’ plan to void the 2nd Amendment
Posted on 2/19/20 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 5:14 pm
This article documents Illinois’ effort to legislate away citizens’ 2nd Amendment rights. This includes requiring one million dollars in liability insurance.
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First problem: the bill specifically prohibits “surplus line insurers” from insuring gun owners. For the record, surplus line insurance companies protect regular insurance companies from overly high risks. They often are not licensed in the state, but do accept higher risks than regular insurance carriers. They are regularly monitored in most states for their financial solvency. This bill doesn’t allow them to insure gun owners.
Example: Carry Guard insurance. In California, Carry Guard insurance was ordered out of the State back in 2018. It was an unlicensed “surplus line” company that insured concealed carriers.
HB 5107 leaves standard insurance companies to cover gun owners for liability. Most insurance companies cover firearms owners under the homeowners policy, but liability for any accidents or criminal behavior is something each person would have to check on prior to purchasing a policy.
The Democrats in Illinois are well aware of that problem.
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In addition, the bill amends the Illinois FOID code to require gun owners to yearly advise the Illinois State Police of their insurance coverage. An IL FOID card is good for ten years…so the hassle of yearly notifications is also a Democrat ploy. If a gun owner fails to advise ISP each year, their FOID card can be revoked, which in effect leaves them without a 2A right in the state.
The State of Illinois is already in the midst of serious issues with regard to the FOID cards and other gun control measures, with some claiming people are waiting 6 months to receive one, or years for receiving a new one if they lost it.
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 5:15 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
Springfield Armory still making guns there?
Posted on 2/19/20 at 5:17 pm to Crimson Wraith
wrong state
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 5:21 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
I can see this going over like a lead Ballon in areas from Champaign all the way to the Ohio River. Lots of baws down in South Illinois ......good hunting in the hill country down there around Harrisburg/Eldorado.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 5:45 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
The left knows they can never repeal the 2nd amendment, so instead their goal is to create an impossible maze of legal and financial hurdles which make it impossible to manufacture or own a gun.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 5:47 pm to Crimson Wraith
Springfield, Massachusetts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 5:48 pm to PEPE
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The left knows they can never repeal the 2nd amendment, so instead their goal is to create an impossible maze of legal and financial hurdles which make it impossible to manufacture or own a gun.
3D printers exist.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 5:52 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
I think we need to sell Chicago and Michigan to Canada.
Chicago and Illinois could be great with GOP leadership but that will never happen. Too swampy even GOP is swampy... Would take a millenia to clean up the place
Chicago and Illinois could be great with GOP leadership but that will never happen. Too swampy even GOP is swampy... Would take a millenia to clean up the place
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 5:53 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
Will get absolutely butt fricked by the USSC.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 5:56 pm to bamarep
Nothing new to them, IIRC.
Didn’t Chicago get bent over by USSC in the past decade over 2nd amendment issues?
Didn’t Chicago get bent over by USSC in the past decade over 2nd amendment issues?
Posted on 2/19/20 at 6:47 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
Sounds like more lining of pockets
Require insurance
Know that no federal court will uphold payouts for criminal acts
Profit
Require insurance
Know that no federal court will uphold payouts for criminal acts
Profit
Posted on 2/19/20 at 6:51 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
No one who is a literalist or strict constructionist could argue those bills violate the 2nd Amendment. People would be free to own firearms. Their choice
Posted on 2/19/20 at 6:52 pm to VOR
“Shall not be infringed”.
Requiring excessive amounts of insurance seems to fricking infringe.
Requiring excessive amounts of insurance seems to fricking infringe.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 6:54 pm to VOR
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No one who is a literalist or strict constructionist could argue those bills violate the 2nd Amendment. People would be free to own firearms. Their choice
I agree
Same way we should have a poll tax and literacy test
You can still vote. Your choice.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 6:56 pm to VOR
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No one who is a literalist or strict constructionist could argue those bills violate the 2nd Amendment.
Incorrect. Those bills easily constitute undue infringement upon the right to keep and bear arms, thus violating the 2nd amendment. Not at all difficult to make an argument against this.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 6:56 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
After that, they need to make a law against murder. That’ll stop em’.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 6:57 pm to YF12
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I agree
Same way we should have a poll tax and literacy test
You can still vote. Your choice.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 6:58 pm to YF12
My thoughts exactly. A photo ID seems to infringe the right to vote.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 6:58 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
Correction: Illinois LWNJ's plan to give SAF another big check because they are too stupid to figure out that the 2nd Amendment is an individual civil right.
Really, there is no downside to them passing such idiotic laws. They will get tossed out by a court and that becomes precedent that often squashes further attempts. Often, the 2nd and 3rd order effects of such cases often errodes other gun-control laws too.
Really, there is no downside to them passing such idiotic laws. They will get tossed out by a court and that becomes precedent that often squashes further attempts. Often, the 2nd and 3rd order effects of such cases often errodes other gun-control laws too.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 6:58 pm to teke184
The gun owners are not required to carry insurance, and they could own their guns without it. Again strict construction of the Constitution would reveal no prohibition nor infringement “per se”.
Tjhe 2nd Amendment doesn’t guarantee that gun ownership will be inexpensive.
Tjhe 2nd Amendment doesn’t guarantee that gun ownership will be inexpensive.
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